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May 15, 2016 16:50:47   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
exactly
quixdraw wrote:
SS -- Speaking of mounts I can use every Nikon lens I own back to the early '60's on my digitals. Can you! ;-)



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May 15, 2016 17:23:28   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
Maybe camera's need to do more, These days you can get a computer the size of a USB stick for very little money better connectivity is what makes a cell phone attractive as a camera. Of course that is pretty alien to most of the camera companies but Sony already has the technology in its other products. If your camera could interact with other devices easily support apps. Maybe sports photographers could have the images on their camera's on their editors desks within seconds a 4g connection could do that.

I still think there is a place for IQ but it needs to be easier and faster to work with.

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May 15, 2016 17:47:41   #
Pro1
 
To all responders: Everyones comments are correct.

A few comments. I have you notices that in the electronics market everything in the market is getting smaller, faster, less heavy, ( e.g. laptop computers, TV's are bigger, lighter and have better screens, etc.) And this is changing the market place fasters, and Nikon needs to stay ahead on the that. I been a Nikon user a long time; started with FTN, have lots of other Nikor lens (e.g. still use my 500mm Reflect lens for some photo's). However, the equipment is getting to be to much to carry and I considering moving to Fujifilm Pro2 Rangefinder. Why, because its lighter, has excellent lens, gives me the opportunity to use "film based" colors in electronic form. MP are not as important sensor size and a DX size sensor is big enough to create a very large print (i.e. don't to sucked into buying a camera because it has more MP).

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May 15, 2016 17:51:31   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
well how many other sites have you read this on, Hogan is just expressing his own opinion based on something he read, heard or saw a decline in stock market predictions, take a single opinion with a grain of salt as that is what it is it's an opinion. Cell phones taking over well maybe on the beginning side how many semipro or professional photographers use a cell phone to take the shots they wish to make into prints especially large prints as even at 8 x 10 starts to show a cell phones weakness, I own an iphone and use it for the purpose of making phone calls I have no landline, I don't play games on it or do any word processing etc. and I never have taken a photo with it except for times when there is a shot that I want to keep with me, I would never do a shoot with one and would be laughed out of the business by clients. Now I think Nikon and Canon need to take a hint from Pentax( I own or have owned all three Manufacturers products ) and sell at a lower price yes they will make less profits per year but will remain steady in this market through selling more units, Pentax has come out with a ff camera now that is cheaper to buy and like Nikon the older glass still fits I am not sure all Pentax glass will fit but its a safe bet the majority will fit. Nikon and Canon charge far to much for their higher end glass, which I am sure can be cut in price enough to sell us those dream units. I also am one of those who does not use video from my photographic camera, if they put out units that eliminate the frills and put out a photo only camera and the combined units then they would have 2 or more products to sell instead of putting out new models so quickly with mostly cosmetic differences, Now I know that wont happen but just think of the savings that could be passed on to us consumers. As far as cell phones being a threat to real photography well that is just plain not the case.
Caysnowman wrote:
Thom Hogan ran an article in his blog today on the awful financial statement that Nikon just released. I'm not trying to start a war but I am concerned enough of Nikon's future to impact my desire to upgrade my D7000 to the D500. Following Nikon for the past few years, I wonder if they can keep pace with Canon or will they become another Minolta. I also am wondering why there seems to be many more wildlife photographers shooting Canon than Nikon - maybe that is just my choice of sites or Canon just makes it easier/cheaper to switch.

Nikon's recent release of the D5/500 provides some hope that they are still in the game but as Thom said in his article, those camera bodies fall into the worst performing market for Nikon - measured in sales volume. Maybe they provide the most profit, but that is down a bunch from last year on a corporate basis.

I would not think of switching to Canon if I was convinced that Nikon would remain competitive but I sure don't want to watch them fade into the Sunset after I have upgraded to the D500 and possibly some glass.

Hope to hear from some of you.

Bill
Thom Hogan ran an article in his blog today on the... (show quote)

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May 15, 2016 18:14:42   #
Pro1
 
I think you might have missed the point I was making. It's not just related to cell phone, it is bigger than that.... the whole market is changing.

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May 15, 2016 18:59:41   #
fishone0 Loc: Kingman AZ
 
I have the Nikon Df and it only takes stills not interested in doing movies--that's why my hubby has a camcorder

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May 15, 2016 19:40:03   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
blackest wrote:
Maybe camera's need to do more, These days you can get a computer the size of a USB stick for very little money better connectivity is what makes a cell phone attractive as a camera. Of course that is pretty alien to most of the camera companies but Sony already has the technology in its other products. If your camera could interact with other devices easily support apps. Maybe sports photographers could have the images on their camera's on their editors desks within seconds a 4g connection could do that.

I still think there is a place for IQ but it needs to be easier and faster to work with.
Maybe camera's need to do more, These days you ca... (show quote)

^^^This is what Sony cameras can do.

I can download one picture or an entire folder to my cell phone, tablet, or PC and it occurs in SECONDS.

Sony not only has the technology but has implemented it. You can download a number of apps to add functionality to certain Sony cameras, but my camera has both WiFi and NFC connection capability to the device of my choice.

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May 15, 2016 20:47:04   #
Acountry330 Loc: Dothan,Ala USA
 
The modern DSLR does so much more that the old film cameras. That being said the main problem I see is a cell phone is a small computer with wifi. Most people do not want to spend a small fortune on a DSLR with several lenses to take pictures. Their cell pictures are just fine for them. Unless you are a pro or Amateur
you do not want to go thru all the trouble to develop your raw images and resize for the net. DSLR'S are for people who wants real quality in their photo's. So I wish I had the magic answer to give to Nikon and Canon, so they could sale more, but alas I do not. So who is number 1? The cell phone of course.

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May 15, 2016 21:59:13   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
CHOLLY wrote:
^^^This is what Sony cameras can do.

I can download one picture or an entire folder to my cell phone, tablet, or PC and it occurs in SECONDS.

Sony not only has the technology but has implemented it. You can download a number of apps to add functionality to certain Sony cameras, but my camera has both WiFi and NFC connection capability to the device of my choice.


Panasonic is doing all of that. Other brands are doing it, too. The parts are out there...

The name of the game is technological convergence.

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May 15, 2016 22:03:08   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Acountry330 wrote:
The modern DSLR does so much more that the old film cameras. That being said the main problem I see is a cell phone is a small computer with wifi. Most people do not want to spend a small fortune on a DSLR with several lenses to take pictures. Their cell pictures are just fine for them. Unless you are a pro or Amateur
you do not want to go thru all the trouble to develop your raw images and resize for the net. DSLR'S are for people who wants real quality in their photo's. So I wish I had the magic answer to give to Nikon and Canon, so they could sale more, but alas I do not. So who is number 1? The cell phone of course.
The modern DSLR does so much more that the old fil... (show quote)




More photos are made with iPhones than any other brand of camera on earth. First camera to mount an iPhone on its back and enable it to control everything with apps will win my dollars.

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May 15, 2016 22:03:52   #
Caysnowman Loc: MN & SC
 
jimmya wrote:
Being a Canon guy I don't follow Nikon the way you do but, a friend brought over her Nikon dslr the other day trying to get some tips since she's new to dslr cameras. I found the body very difficult to operate. Where my Canon has all the basic settings in buttons on hers I had to into the menus every time I wanted to make a basic change. And, after doing that, the auto focus wouldn't work. Was I missing something not being familiar with Nikon or was I correct. I believe hers is a 3200.


My wife has a Nikon D5100, I have the D7000. Both cameras have relatively the same adjustments but her's is more menu orientated; the D7000 has more buttons. Her's is / was also considerably cheaper. Could your Canon be a model level or two above her 3200?

Bill

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May 15, 2016 22:22:33   #
rspmd23 Loc: NYC , now in Westlake, Florida
 
Just got out of my car from Yosemite . 90% of the cameras I saw (DSLR) were Nikon. So , as stated above- the problem is industry wide. Lets hope they all don't go the way of Kodak !!

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May 15, 2016 23:15:48   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Kuzano wrote:
Yeah, that post caught my attention as well. Pentax created the K-mount and it was debuted on the K1000 in 1975. That was 45 years ago. The K mount today still fits the digital SLR camera mounts of all Pentax (now Ricoh) camera's.

Canon changed from FD lenses to EOS mount in 1987. Pentax lenses that still fit todays Pentax digial go back almost ten years further than Canon, who killed their FD audience cold.

Pentax at least did one other thing right. As soon as they came out with the K mount, they also immediately came out with a K mount adapter allowing thread mount lens owners to simply put in the mount, and screw in their previous thread mount lenses. It was a simple adapter ring with no glass and no change in lens register distance. Pentax was far more accomodating to their users than Canon ever thought of being.

That remains true today. A pentax owner today can still attach that old threaded mount in their current Pentax k series camera, and use those old and superlative Takumar and Super Takumar thread mount lenses today.

Nikon developed the F mount still used today in 1959,,, or 57 years ago, beating both Pentax and Certainly Canon to long term same lens mount leadership.

However, I realize than many of you posting your opinions on this would have had to be told many of these things in your cribs. It's doubtful than some posters here ever experienced a major lens mount change by any of the camera makers. Not to insult those who did go through these changes and lost the most investment in their lenses with Canon, at a much more recent time.

But who's counting? Right!
Yeah, that post caught my attention as well. Penta... (show quote)

I experienced the Canon change and fully embraced it once I saw the sense of it. A far superior mount by decades compared to any then existing mount. No primitive screws or slappy and sloppy levers with incredibly slow reaction times that were an anachronism in the 21st century. Others are still trying to catch up nearly 30 years later. A Canon T1i can take many other makers lenses and odd accessories and still meter including aperture priority automatic. Some other makers struggle with this concept.
I have stated before that a vast majority of Canon users were not born or were young kids when Canon moved to the 21st century and do not know what an FD lens is nor do they care. It is only old bitter dinosaurs who stuck with some primitive system and struggle to try to relive ancient history. The Romans were pretty good at one time too. It is so funny these dinosaurs just hang onto the mount change myth hurting Canon. If it was so terrible then why did most pros drop other systems like hot potatoes and go Canon? Also why is the EF mount now a video standard with non Canon manufacturers all over the world?
Other makers make excellent products as well but to try to convince your self that going 21st century was wrong and your chosen primitive system is somehow superior is laughable.

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May 15, 2016 23:26:55   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Architect1776 wrote:
I experienced the Canon change and fully embraced it once I saw the sense of it. A far superior mount by decades compared to any then existing mount. No primitive screws or slappy and sloppy levers with incredibly slow reaction times that were an anachronism in the 21st century. Others are still trying to catch up nearly 30 years later. A Canon T1i can take many other makers lenses and odd accessories and still meter including aperture priority automatic. Some other makers struggle with this concept.
I have stated before that a vast majority of Canon users were not born or were young kids when Canon moved to the 21st century and do not know what an FD lens is nor do they care. It is only old bitter dinosaurs who stuck with some primitive system and struggle to try to relive ancient history. The Romans were pretty good at one time too. It is so funny these dinosaurs just hang onto the mount change myth hurting Canon. If it was so terrible then why did most pros drop other systems like hot potatoes and go Canon? Also why is the EF mount now a video standard with non Canon manufacturers all over the world?
Other makers make excellent products as well but to try to convince your self that going 21st century was wrong and your chosen primitive system is somehow superior is laughable.
I experienced the Canon change and fully embraced ... (show quote)


OK then. Let's see others argue with that then....

I may agree with you, but others may consider those fighting words!

I'll put my EOS camera and FL/FD lenses up to register my position!

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May 16, 2016 00:29:17   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
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CHOLLY wrote:
Nikon USED to build it's own sensors. Not only were Sony sensors better, but cheaper too./quote]

I have wondered if at sometime Nikon is sold Sony's sensor business but they probably have no way of affording it.


There is a rumor that Nikon will purchase Samsung's sensor unit.

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