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May 13, 2016 15:46:35   #
forjava Loc: Half Moon Bay, CA
 
This point of view is much more accurate, if rarely voiced, than the anti-plastic remarks so often tossed out so lightheartedly by so many.

Readers, think about it: How many Series E lenses have you seen on eBay with damaged plastic barrels? When Nikon first used plastic, on the EM and Series E, Nikon set up a QA organization tasked to ensure parity in quality to metal.

Mounts have different issues; Series E mounts are metal.

Drivers for plastic at Nikon, initially, were (1) manufacturing cost for consumerization and (2) lighter weight, for women and sub-adults.

And let's save the topic of plastic in pro-level aspherical lens elements for another day.

rook2c4 wrote:
Not all plastics are equal. The plastic the lens manufacturers use isn't the same stuff you find in toys and toothbrushes. It doesn't warp, break or shatter easily at all. Even bakelite, the plastic camera manufacturers commonly used many decades ago for camera bodies, has over time proven to be a very durable, long-lasting material; and the plastic they use now on lenses is far more stronger and durable than bakelite ever was. It would take some serious abuse to damage it... like throwing your lens off a cliff or from a bridge overpass.
Not all plastics are equal. The plastic the lens m... (show quote)

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May 13, 2016 16:53:58   #
photoman022 Loc: Manchester CT USA
 
I'm a firm believer in using my 18-55 kit lens. I did splurge for a Tammy 70-300 and 28-70 (f/2.8). For landscapes I use the kit lens; for portraits I find myself going to the 28-70 regularly. I use the 70-300 for wildlife and flowers. The kit lens is sharp and when I enlarge to 11x14 there is no distortion in the photo. I'm sold on kit lenses and don't look down on them.

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May 13, 2016 18:55:29   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
MT Shooter wrote:
That's the whole point, they are not WORTH taking apart to repair because the replacement cost is so cheap. The labor costs to repair are simply not worth it. These "dislodged" internal components are usually drive pins for the zoom barrels breaking off, or zoom and/or focusing barrels themselves breaking. And yes, they are all plastic inside.) The lenses are MADE to be throw-away lenses from the day they are designed. The manufacturers WANT you to replace them, hopefully with more expensive, better built versions.
And I do have some of these plastic kit lenses that I have sawn in half to show their build, it gets interesting seeing the differences between brands.

This one has aluminum sleeves to hold the lens elements in groups, the only one I have found them in.
That's the whole point, they are not WORTH taking ... (show quote)


You make excellent points, but isn't it the quality of the lens that counts, not the designation 'kit'? It may be that 'inexpensive' lenses are included in low cost 'entry level' 'kits or bundles', and some of them may be of low quality, but being in a 'bundle' or 'kit' doesn't necessarily imply poor quality. Sometimes mass production/distribution makes a good quality product cheaper. A Canon bundle that includes 'L' series lenses or various other lenses doesn't mean that the lenses are inferior for being included in a bundle. I would suspect that the same is true for Nikon or other premium brands. Surely it is the quality of the lens - optics, construction, and so on - that makes the distinction, not the inclusion in a bundle or otherwise?

Wouldn't a more objective standard and description be more appropriate and valuable?

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May 14, 2016 10:01:44   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
I want to repeat myself hoping that this time it is clear to everyone. I used the Orton Effect saying that it had nothing to do with the lens, that was my creativity. I showed a photograph without digital manipulation.
I clearly said in the original post that the shots were simply samples. To make everybody happy I am now posting the originals.


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May 15, 2016 08:33:37   #
RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas
 
camerapapi wrote:
I want to repeat myself hoping that this time it is clear to everyone. I used the Orton Effect saying that it had nothing to do with the lens, that was my creativity. I showed a photograph without digital manipulation.
I clearly said in the original post that the shots were simply samples. To make everybody happy I am now posting the originals.


To be honest I like these even better without a doubt.

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May 15, 2016 19:30:14   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
Kit lenses are intended for the beginner, not meaning they are not capable. Usually their best performance as I said is in the middle of the aperture range, like f8, f5.6.
I bought my first Olympus, the EPL-1 with the 14-42 kit lens but today I am already using the Zuiiko 12-40 f2.8 Pro, a professional lens. The Panasonic 14-45 came with a Panasonic body.
It is a godsend that Zuiko and Panasonic lenses can work in each other's body and the selection of lenses from both companies is good enough to fulfill any needs.
Someday most cameras will be mirrorless.

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May 15, 2016 23:34:22   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
camerapapi wrote:
Kit lenses are intended for the beginner, not meaning they are not capable. Usually their best performance as I said is in the middle of the aperture range, like f8, f5.6.
I bought my first Olympus, the EPL-1 with the 14-42 kit lens but today I am already using the Zuiiko 12-40 f2.8 Pro, a professional lens. The Panasonic 14-45 came with a Panasonic body.
It is a godsend that Zuiko and Panasonic lenses can work in each other's body and the selection of lenses from both companies is good enough to fulfill any needs.
Someday most cameras will be mirrorless.
Kit lenses are intended for the beginner, not mean... (show quote)


Except of course if the kit lens happens to be a premium lens such as a Canon L series which is sometimes sold in bundles. Anyone that thinks that the term kit lens means anything worthwhile does not understand very much.

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