Frank T Loc: New York, NY

http://www.facebook.com/GavinNewsom/videos/10154255489813117/

Now this should get interesting.

Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, Colorado

obama's Justice Department sues anyone who is not of their ideology. No surprise with this one either.

PrairieSeasons Loc: Red River of the North

It's too bad that the DOJ has time for this, but not for more important issues like sanctuary cities breaking US immigration law.

kd7eir Loc: Tucson, AZ

They are suing on the basis of a law signed by Richard M Nixon in 1972 called Title IX of the educational amendments.

Sanctuary cities are not violating US immigration law because they have no authority to prosecute people for violating US Immigration Law. that is strictly a federal offense. US immigration law does NOT require cities to ask someone to prove they are here legally, nor to arrest them if they are not here legally.

It seems that conservatives want "smaller government!" EXCEPT that they keep insisting that the government be involved in more and more things everyday. At least take a position and stand by it - show some actual conviction of thought. If you want smaller government then stop complaining when cities refuse to do the job of the federal government, and stop supporting the passing of more and more laws that affect where people pee, who they marry, what kind of sex they have. It really reveals the "smaller government!" cry as nothing but a smoke screen.

I'm certain that all of you are intelligent enough to see, if you will only allow yourselves to, how the words and the actions of the "smaller government!" crowd are at total opposition to each other.

Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, Colorado

Wow, talk about your typical liberal canard. The topic for discussion was the DOJ and their frivolous law suits. Not smaller Federal government. If you want to rant about conservatives, and their smaller government hypocrisy, start a new thread and please refrain from hijacking this one.

kd7eir Loc: Tucson, AZ

The reply was pointing out that the DOJ is defending a law championed by conservatives, a law that GREW the government rather than shrinking it. That makes the point of conservatives claiming they want smaller government a legitimate part of the discussion.

I will NOT refrain from posting relevant FACTS when I respond to a thread - if FACTS bother you then feel free to use the much-loved IGNORE feature on me, because one thing that is guaranteed is that I deal in FACTS, not hyperbole.

PrairieSeasons Loc: Red River of the North

In the case of this thread, you seem to be dealing in selective facts where it suits your argument and broad generalizations where that suits your argument. You talk of conservatives as wanting smaller government as though that issue supersedes all others (apparently including secure borders in your scenario). That isn't the case, just as liberal ideology can't be defined as narrowly supporting one agenda to the exclusion of others.

Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, Colorado

Exactly! Just more obfuscation and changing the intent of the thread by our lib friends.

kd7eir Loc: Tucson, AZ

You use a lot of words but make no sense.

Please show me where EXACTLY I stated/alluded to "conservatives as wanting smaller government as though that issue supersedes all others." I'll wait patiently...

Show me where EXACTLY I used "selective facts." It is a FACT that the DOJ is suing for violations of Title IX. It is a FACT that the conservative party claims to believe in smaller government. I'll wait patiently...

Show me where EXACTLY I used "broad generalizations where that suits your argument." It is a FACT that the current conservative party touts smaller government as a part of the ideology, and have been doing so since Reagan said "Government is not a solution to our problem; government is the problem" in his first inaugural address on January 20, 1981. I'll wait patiently...

Show me where EXACTLY I said anything for or against secure borders. I'll wait patiently...

I'm a wordsmith by occupation, I choose my words very carefully, and I think through my statements prior to committing them to posterity. I am not, however, responsible for the audience that chooses to try and twist my words against me.

I would not have even entered into this discussion except for the statement "obama's Justice Department sues anyone who is not of their ideology. No surprise with this one either." Since the Obama DOJ is suing to enforce a law that CONSERVATIVES CHAMPIONED and was signed by RICHARD M. NIXON, it's silly to blame the enforcement of that law on the Obama administration's ideology - they are merely doing the bidding of CONSERVATIVES.

I will always respond to ignorance, silliness, double-standards/hypocrisy, and outright misinformation.

I prefer not to take a stand on either side of the political spectrum on a public forum - stating FACTS does not make one a liberal or conservative, it makes them a speaker of FACTS. For example, stating the FACT that cities are not obligated to enforce US immigration law, therefore are not violating US immigration law by not doing so, is merely stating a FACT, not taking a political stance. FACTS are neutral.

Stating FACTS is also not an attack on anyone in any manner. While any person may choose to not LIKE the FACT, stating such FACT is not an attack upon that person.

green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20

we try not to use a lot of FACTS around here... some of the older Fox crowd tend to get their panties twisted and blood pressure raised.... welcome aboard!

Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, Colorado

Well Homer, we can also use MessNBC, and the uneducated senile lib crowd who relish that cable channel, where FACTS are completely irrelevant.
Ahoy mate!

kd7eir Loc: Tucson, AZ

Fox News averages 60% falsehoods, MSNBC and NBC averages 44% falsehoods. So they both LIE, but Fox News lies more often/about more things. This equates to Fox News telling 36.36363636363637% more lies than MSNBC/NBC, or MSNBC/NBC telling 26.666666666666668% less lies than Fox News.

Just more FACTS.

green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20

sorry... most of the liberals I know use this thing called the Internet to get their news... the TV adds too much flavoring for my taste.

green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20

I need to point out to you that going past a single decimal point in these calculations is meaningless. Those digits are just not significant... in the interest of being factual

PrairieSeasons Loc: Red River of the North

You must be an engineer -- someone who's good with numbers but doesn't have the personality or social skills to make it as an accountant.