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May 1, 2016 11:54:31   #
Bmarsh Loc: Bellaire, MI
 
Dziadzi wrote:
Now if only Congress would make them pay their fair share of federal income tax.


Careful.... Corporations don't pay taxes... People do. Any taxes are a cost of business and are passed on to customers like you and me.

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May 1, 2016 11:55:15   #
SBW
 
bigwolf40 wrote:
And the price of fuel keeps going up. Yes we are being ripped off by big business of oil companies and in the pockets of the people in government of both parties....Rich


Quite to the contrary. The price of fuel is determined by the world market. Not being ripped of by the oil companies. As a percentage of revenue the oil company's profit it not that exceptional.
I sure don't hear anyone complaining about Apple Computer's enormous profits.
Just a couple articles that may enlighten you.


http://www.forbes.com/2011/05/10/oil-company-earnings.html

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/10/20/big-oil-isnt-as-profitable-as-everyone-thinks/

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May 1, 2016 11:56:23   #
SBW
 
Cykdelic wrote:
Not really that good of a quarter OR that big.

This represents a meager 3.7% return on sales of $48.7 billion.

Apple, on the other hand, had revenues of $75.9 billion, and PAT of $18.4 billion...........a return on sales of 24.2%.

If we want to whine about profits, being ripped off, etc., perhaps turning an attuned eye towards Apple is in store? You know, the energy-sucking, dump polluting, off shore sourcing company treated almost like a deity by our media and citizens?


:thumbup: :thumbup:

Well put.

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May 1, 2016 12:03:30   #
SBW
 
greymule wrote:
It might help that the Government gives it our taxpayer's money.

Exxon Pays a Lower Effective Tax Rate than the Average American


This article was from 2011, but still holds true today.

Corporations, especially large corporations, are not friends of the common man. Note that Republicans blocked the effort to remove a small portion of the subsidies for big oil. Republicans are not friends of the common man, despite a widespread mistaken belief that the Republicans are for the common man.
It might help that the Government gives it our tax... (show quote)


My God, do you have no shame at all. What a load of lying crap you have posted. You have to be the stupidest person on this planet. Also, one of the most reckless with the truth. You sure like to cherry pick your numbers.
The fact of the matter is the oil business in this country accounts for over 11 million jobs for average Americans. That DOES make them a friend of the common man you idiot.
As for the taxes they pay. The oil company's tax burden is equal to about 75% of their profits.

Why don't you at least post one post where you tell the truth. Just one.
You are such a liar.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/10/20/big-oil-isnt-as-profitable-as-everyone-thinks/

People should also know the truth about the subsidies to oil companies. The truth is a very large portion of the so called "oil company" subsides go towards subsidizing fuel and energy for the poor in this country which is exactly why the Republicans did not want to get rid of them.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/energysource/2012/04/25/the-surprising-reason-that-oil-subsidies-persist-even-liberals-love-them/#19811a691e86

People can now see that what you posted is a pack of lies. All your post are very reckless with the truth.

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May 1, 2016 12:10:41   #
spaghetti boy Loc: EVERETT , WASHINGTON
 
Take the state tax off gas is under a dollar!

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May 1, 2016 12:26:49   #
GregWCIL Loc: Illinois
 
You must remember that corporate profits are taxed twice. First at the corporate level and again when shareholders pay taxes on their dividends.

You can surely raise the taxes on corporations - and drive them out of the country. Ireland lowered their corporate rates and has reaped the rewards of many companies flocking to their shores.

Its the same as our lovely state of Illinois with their unfriendly business environment. High taxes and very high workman's comp rates mean our economy is faltering while our neighbors (such as Indiana and Iowa) who have a friendlier environment for employers are attracting businesses and jobs.


greymule wrote:
It might help that the Government gives it our taxpayer's money.

Exxon Pays a Lower Effective Tax Rate than the Average American

Exxon Mobil Corp.’s robust balance sheets have become a poster child for what The New York Times dubs the “paradox of the United States tax code.”
The company’s large 2010 profits allowed them to lead Fortune 500’s annual ranking of the nations’ most profitable firms for the eighth time in a row. But the oil giant’s average effective tax rates are roughly half the 35 percent tax rate that currently stands as the high-water mark for American corporations. Meanwhile, Exxon Mobil and other big oil companies continue to exploit tax loopholes for nearly $4 billion in subsidies each year. These subsidies include write-offs for drilling costs and a deduction for domestic production that was intended for manufacturers, not big oil producers.
Exxon Mobil registered an average 17.6 percent federal effective corporate tax rate on its annual earnings in the three years spanning 2008 to 2010. Its average domestic profits exceeded $6.8 billion. And as a 2011 Citizens for Tax Justice report points out:
Over the past two years, ExxonMobil reported $9,910 million in pretax U.S. profits. But it enjoyed so many tax subsidies that its federal income tax bill was only $39 million—a tax rate of only 0.4 percent.
Even when Exxon Mobil had a record profit of $40 billion in 2008 due to record oil prices it had only a 31 percent effective tax rate. That’s 13 percent lower than the maximum 35 percent despite being Exxon Mobil’s fifth year as the top corporate earner in Fortune 500’s annual listing. The company paid no taxes at all to the U.S. federal government in 2009 on its domestic profits of nearly $2.6 billion. It appears that they avoided the tax man that year by legally funneling their profits through wholly owned subsidiaries in countries like the Cayman Islands, and reinvesting their earnings overseas.
exxon's effective tax rate, 2008-2011
More striking still is the discrepancy between Exxon Mobil’s rates and those of most American breadwinners. The company’s effective rate of 17.6 percent is nearly 16 percent below the average individual federal tax rate, which according to the Congressional Budget Office was 20.4 percent as of 2007.
Individuals in the highest quintile pay an average tax rate just over 25 percent in the United States. Exxon Mobil, meanwhile, paid approximately the same effective tax rate as Americans in the fourth income quintile—which includes Americans earning from $62,000 to $100,000 a year.
Exxon Mobil’s accounting methods mask its relatively low effective tax rate. According to CNN Money the $3.1 billion in taxes the company claims to have paid since January 2011 includes both federal and state gasoline taxes—that are really paid by drivers—as well as employee payroll taxes.
Think Progress’s Pat Garofalo rightly observes that “Exxon is counting as part of its tax burden [taxes] that it simply does not pay,” making the exorbitant subsidies the company receives even more unnecessary.
These strategic maneuverings have not been lost on congressional Democrats. Rep. Tim Bishop (D-NY) introduced a bill to repeal at least one of these tax loopholes for large oil companies including Exxon. The legislation would result in $12 billion in revenue over 10 years by removing the Section 199 domestic manufacturing tax deduction.
House Republicans successfully blocked Democratic attempts to force a vote erasing this unnecessary oil subsidy on May 5 by passing a motion, 241-171, on two drilling bills.
But this promises to be only a temporary respite for Big Oil tax breaks. And a short one at that. The Senate is expected to vote next week on the Close Big Oil Tax Loopholes Act, legislation introduced by Robert Menendez (D-NJ) and other senators to address oil prices and subsidies for the five biggest oil companies.
Seth Hanlon, Director of Fiscal Reform at the Center for American Progress, explains that the glaring contrast between:
Today’s high gas prices and inflated profits have undermined the industry’s argument that their tax breaks benefit consumers.
Meanwhile, federal budget deficits have sharpened Congress’s focus on eliminating wasteful government spending—of which oil subsidies are one of the worst examples.
Right on cue, Rep. Max Baucus (D-MT), on the morning of May 6, called on executives from Exxon Mobil and its Big Five compatriots—BP, Chevron, ConocoPhillips, and Shell—to stand before the Senate Finance Committee for a May 12 hearing on "Oil and Gas Tax Incentives and Rising Energy Prices." As of this writing, top-level representatives from each company have confirmed attendance, including ExxonMobil Chairman and CEO Rex Tillerson. He now finds himself with the difficult task of publicly rationalizing Exxon’s share of billions in subsidies, despite the company reaping enormous profits and paying relatively little in the way of taxes.

This article was from 2011, but still holds true today.

Corporations, especially large corporations, are not friends of the common man. Note that Republicans blocked the effort to remove a small portion of the subsidies for big oil. Republicans are not friends of the common man, despite a widespread mistaken belief that the Republicans are for the common man.
It might help that the Government gives it our tax... (show quote)

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May 1, 2016 13:08:36   #
Dziadzi Loc: Wilkes-Barre, PA
 
Cykdelic wrote:
Not really that good of a quarter OR that big.

This represents a meager 3.7% return on sales of $48.7 billion.

Apple, on the other hand, had revenues of $75.9 billion, and PAT of $18.4 billion...........a return on sales of 24.2%.

If we want to whine about profits, being ripped off, etc., perhaps turning an attuned eye towards Apple is in store? You know, the energy-sucking, dump polluting, off shore sourcing company treated almost like a deity by our media and citizens?


Apple is another example of a corporation that doesn't pay its fair share of federal income tax. In fact, I believe that in 2015 they were the biggest offender. Corporations are running and ruining the USA.

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May 1, 2016 13:09:18   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
greymule wrote:
It might help that the Government gives it our taxpayer's money.

Exxon’s share of billions in subsidies, despite the company reaping enormous profits and paying relatively little in the way of taxes.

This article was from 2011, but still holds true today.

Corporations, especially large corporations, are not friends of the common man. Note that Republicans blocked the effort to remove a small portion of the subsidies for big oil. Republicans are not friends of the common man, despite a widespread mistaken belief that the Republicans are for the common man.
It might help that the Government gives it our tax... (show quote)




To understand, compare, and coherently discuss taxes at the corporate level one has to look at consecutive periods due to the nature and structure of the U.S tax code.


The reality is that if you look at any 5-yr consecutive period for the oil industry, it pays almost exactly 40% in taxes (about 24% of this is Federal taxes). This is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than other industries in the U.S. (especially versus, say, Microsoft and Apple).


Exxon is little-to-no different then the industry.

Your comments about "...corporations and Republicans not being friends of the common man" highlight you as certainly NOT being a common man but just another progressive elitist with little understanding of econ, biz, and taxes.

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May 1, 2016 13:16:54   #
Dedo Loc: NY, Uruguay
 
Jakebrake wrote:
Yep, capitalism sucks, for sure.


No it doesn't, Jake. Not for those of us that hold significant equities.

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May 1, 2016 13:40:26   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
Dziadzi wrote:
Apple is another example of a corporation that doesn't pay its fair share of federal income tax. In fact, I believe that in 2015 they were the biggest offender. Corporations are running and ruining the USA.




......yet hiring tens of millions of people all while paying higher taxes than the rest of the industrial world.

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May 1, 2016 13:58:50   #
f8bengal Loc: West Nawth Carolinah
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Right. About 1.1% for the top 1.1%.


No, that's not true at all. It's every American who is trying to put away something for down the road, retirement, future need. Put money in CDs and earn 0.1% for allowing the bank to play with your money. Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any system ever created since time began. Like democracy, capitalism may be a poor system, but all the others are so much worse.

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May 1, 2016 14:08:05   #
exakta56 Loc: Orford,New Hampshire
 
Some years back, I had to purchase a replacement motor for a laboratory 'Nutator'..a gadget which rotates much like your wrist. I called two of the largest lab and med equipment suppliers and one wanted $115 and the other $135.
Unhappy with their prices, I finally located the motor manufacturer and asked if I might buy one from them. The manager said wait a minute. He shortly came back to the phone and said" I can send you six, that's all I have'. How much? I asked.' I'll send them to you free as we only get $1.35 each for them'. !!!
And you wonder why the cost of medical treatment has skyrocketed. Capitalism is one thing..f*cking the public is another.

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May 1, 2016 14:08:32   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
f8bengal wrote:
No, that's not true at all. It's every American who is trying to put away something for down the road, retirement, future need. Put money in CDs and earn 0.1% for allowing the bank to play with your money. Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any system ever created since time began. Like democracy, capitalism may be a poor system, but all the others are so much worse.



Well put.......if jerry would do a simple yahoo search he would find that like most large corporations the largest investors are institutions is one sort or another, and a breakdown of those institutions would find that there is a huge amount of "common men" represented there via IRAs, 401Ks, pension plans, union programs, etc.

Maybe not 100% representation, but certainly closer to 100% than the 1.1% platitude used by the chattering class.

------ NOT feeling the "bern"!

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May 1, 2016 14:33:51   #
bigwolf40 Loc: Effort, Pa.
 
SBW wrote:
Quite to the contrary. The price of fuel is determined by the world market. Not being ripped of by the oil companies. As a percentage of revenue the oil company's profit it not that exceptional.
I sure don't hear anyone complaining about Apple Computer's enormous profits.
Just a couple articles that may enlighten you.


http://www.forbes.com/2011/05/10/oil-company-earnings.html

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/10/20/big-oil-isnt-as-profitable-as-everyone-thinks/


I understand this but if you checked the first article was from 5/10/11 and the second was from10/20/12. Today crude is not that expensive. Back when the price for gas was around $4.00 plus the oil companies were making the largest profits ever plus we are now exporting and slowing down production so that the oil companies can keep their profits up. At least this is what I understand...Rich

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May 1, 2016 15:03:48   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
bigwolf40 wrote:
I understand this but if you checked the first article was from 5/10/11 and the second was from10/20/12. Today crude is not that expensive. Back when the price for gas was around $4.00 plus the oil companies were making the largest profits ever plus we are now exporting and slowing down production so that the oil companies can keep their profits up. At least this is what I understand...Rich




Profits not measured as a return on sales is a useless measure that serves little other than to vilify size itself.

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