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Apr 20, 2016 14:40:08   #
dave.speeking Loc: Brooklyn OH
 
Bailed out by Eyesight four times. Please stay in Brooklyn. New York that is.

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Apr 20, 2016 14:52:36   #
bgl Loc: Brooklyn,New York
 
Don't worry Dave - you're quite safe. Don't know anything about Brooklyn,OH but I doubt it wouldn't be much of a hazard to guess that other than the name, there are no similarities (unless you have really good bagels there).

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Apr 20, 2016 15:07:25   #
Leon S Loc: Minnesota
 
bgl wrote:
It will be very interesting to see what the insurance premiums will be for a self-driving commercial vehicle.


Hi: bgl
The insurance rates in trucking are determined by the loss ratio of the trucking company much the same as individual policy rates are determined. However, at the end of the fiscal year, most trucking insurance plans have a provision that pays back a percentage of the premium paid to the trucking company which experiences a lower loss ratio than the year before or more often in the average previous three years. Then when the old policy ends, the new contract is renegotiated reflected by the new experience ratios. In most cases a company can save a lot of their profit by having a top notch safety program and safety director. If I were going back into trucking safety management, I would be all over the concept of robotic long haul trucks. In todays trucking, accidents are not the result of equipment safety issues as much as driver errors. Leon

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Apr 20, 2016 15:10:02   #
bgl Loc: Brooklyn,New York
 
One Rude Dawg wrote:
Much rather be in command of my own vehicle. If you don't want to pay attention get a chauffeur. :lol:


I would love to have a chauffeur but can't afford one.

Tell us Dawg, have you never had an accident that could have been avoided if you had better reaction time or 360 degree vision or if you hadn't been momentarily distracted? Or maybe you are one lucky guy. We are all (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt) human and to err is human.

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Apr 20, 2016 15:15:30   #
exakta56 Loc: Orford,New Hampshire
 
The PROBLEM dear readers is the habit of giving a driver's license to anyone with a pulse. Some countries take driving seriously enough to require that the driver take a two or three day course. Some require that the driver also take an EMT course.
But then again, maybe we should eliminate licensing altogether. Let the bodies fall where they may. By the way, our national auto death rate has remained at about 40K for years, despite a rise in registrations. You know how many die per year in the USA from Hospital medical ERRORS??? Between 400 and 500 thousand each year. As I text this at 80 MPH, some SOB is tailgating me!!! Joke

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Apr 20, 2016 15:22:48   #
machia Loc: NJ
 
bgl wrote:
I don't think driverless cars are in our immediate future in any high volume way. It will take many years of refining the technology let alone affordability. Most importantly it will take a long, long time before people will be comfortable with the idea. For many (most?) of us, driving is enjoyable (except for driving in NYC traffic!).

Lol , not so good on the Jersey side either ! Perhaps I should reconsider ? Nah , I'd rather take the train .
But all kidding aside I did read an article how this technology is being pushed , and many engineers think it is totally premature to even entertain this idea even in the next 10 years . Just like the rush to stop building incandescent light bulbs was the result of a big push . MIT has now published a paper on how the incandescent lightbulb could actually be more efficient than LED's and without the Mercury being used in flourescent bulbs . I'm all for technology , but when it is pushed , that usually spells trouble .
However I am 100% for making vehicle travel safer as long as the driver does not become complacent . That's the trick . Using technology is one thing . A dependency on it can be a big problem as history has shown .

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Apr 20, 2016 15:27:06   #
bgl Loc: Brooklyn,New York
 
exakta56 wrote:
The PROBLEM dear readers is the habit of giving a driver's license to anyone with a pulse. Some countries take driving seriously enough to require that the driver take a two or three day course. Some require that the driver also take an EMT course.
But then again, maybe we should eliminate licensing altogether. Let the bodies fall where they may. By the way, our national auto death rate has remained at about 40K for years, despite a rise in registrations. You know how many die per year in the USA from Hospital medical ERRORS??? Between 400 and 500 thousand each year. As I text this at 80 MPH, some SOB is tailgating me!!! Joke
The PROBLEM dear readers is the habit of giving a ... (show quote)


You may be overstating the death toll from hospital medical errors. See this article: http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2013/09/20/224507654/how-many-die-from-medical-mistakes-in-u-s-hospitals

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Apr 20, 2016 15:32:46   #
exakta56 Loc: Orford,New Hampshire
 
I live in a rural area. Driving down the road at the speed limit with no car in sight and along comes someone who settles in about twenty feet behind me. Now there are two cars bumper to bumper, with no other cars in sight.What kind of moron thinks this is appropriate? Safe? Courteous?
I'll go take my meds now and resist any further comment.

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Apr 20, 2016 15:38:26   #
exakta56 Loc: Orford,New Hampshire
 
Dear bgl,
I read your health reference, thank you. However, if you read down towards the bottom, you will see that my quoted figures are very close, indeed.

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Apr 20, 2016 15:52:21   #
bgl Loc: Brooklyn,New York
 
machia wrote:
Lol , not so good on the Jersey side either ! Perhaps I should reconsider ? Nah , I'd rather take the train .
But all kidding aside I did read an article how this technology is being pushed , and many engineers think it is totally premature to even entertain this idea even in the next 10 years . Just like the rush to stop building incandescent light bulbs was the result of a big push . MIT has now published a paper on how the incandescent lightbulb could actually be more efficient than LED's and without the Mercury being used in flourescent bulbs . I'm all for technology , but when it is pushed , that usually spells trouble .
However I am 100% for making vehicle travel safer as long as the driver does not become complacent . That's the trick . Using technology is one thing . A dependency on it can be a big problem as history has shown .
Lol , not so good on the Jersey side either ! Perh... (show quote)


So I read a couple of pieces on the MIT bulb and then I looked at some material on bulb efficiencies. It appears that the LED bulb is roughly 10 X more efficient than an incandescent. But is also lasts nearly forever and has considerably less environmental impact. And I've also read elsewhere that progress has been made on the color temperatures of LED lighting. So I wouldn't write off the LED light bulb just yet. Besides, what would happen to the value of the stock I hold in CREE?

There are some other takes on "dependency". Don't we want dependable cars? dependable heat when it's cold out? dependable food safety? dependable computers? All of these dependencies rely on technology to deliver, right?

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Apr 20, 2016 15:56:49   #
bgl Loc: Brooklyn,New York
 
Leon S wrote:
Hi: bgl
The insurance rates in trucking are determined by the loss ratio of the trucking company much the same as individual policy rates are determined. However, at the end of the fiscal year, most trucking insurance plans have a provision that pays back a percentage of the premium paid to the trucking company which experiences a lower loss ratio than the year before or more often in the average previous three years. Then when the old policy ends, the new contract is renegotiated reflected by the new experience ratios. In most cases a company can save a lot of their profit by having a top notch safety program and safety director. If I were going back into trucking safety management, I would be all over the concept of robotic long haul trucks. In todays trucking, accidents are not the result of equipment safety issues as much as driver errors. Leon
Hi: bgl br The insurance rates in trucking are de... (show quote)


Thanks Leon for your informative reply.

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Apr 20, 2016 16:01:08   #
bgl Loc: Brooklyn,New York
 
exakta56 wrote:
Dear bgl,
I read your health reference, thank you. However, if you read down towards the bottom, you will see that my quoted figures are very close, indeed.


It also says that no one really knows. That's why I said "you may be overstating . . . " which ever numbers you believe, they are all terribly high, just terrible.

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Apr 20, 2016 16:29:37   #
bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY
 
bgl wrote:
We recently purchased a Subaru Outback to replace our Toyota Highlander. Although the Highlander was a 2009 model with only 55,000 mi. on it and was mechanically sound, it didn't have any of the new safety features now available. Since we are getting on in years it seemed prudent to take advantage of them. The new Subaru has a collision mitigation system and will steer the car back in the lane if you start drifting out of it and of course has all those alerts. We have already benefited from these features. However, our new car cannot do what the Tesla cars can as seen in the video linked below. Pretty impressive stuff.

http://www.thedrive.com/news/3052/watch-this-teslas-autopilot-save-a-drivers-life?xid=hl
We recently purchased a Subaru Outback to replace ... (show quote)


Congrats on the Subaru, you are going to love it, we have an OUtback and a brand new Forrester

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Apr 20, 2016 22:35:04   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
machia wrote:
There are a ton of people who would never let a car " drive " them in every age category . And I'm one of them . This is technology ? Perhaps I need to be fed too ?


Can you say, "Wall-E World"?

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Apr 21, 2016 01:32:08   #
denoferth Loc: Portsmouth, NH
 
exakta56 wrote:
Today's cars let some drivers think that they are invincible [ idiots] and when they crash, it often involves innocent others. I think that if these numbskulls were forced to drive Model As, our streets would soon be clear of these morons. Just a thought.


Ahh, the old there's no life guard in the gene pool argument... :thumbup: :thumbup:

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