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Apr 6, 2016 08:35:49   #
winterrose Loc: Kyneton, Victoria, Australia
 
collhart wrote:
Or you could just ignore them and move on. DUH


Which is all that they deserve.

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Apr 6, 2016 08:36:34   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
robertjerl wrote:
Besides, many cannot understand the manual.
Manuals often read as if they were produced by this sequence:

Japanese engineers write down specs and procedures in Japanese Techno Babble.

A staff writer then translates to simplified techno babble, leaving out a lot of important stuff.

A translating service that works on line assigns the job to someone who is a native Sanskrit speaker/writer who once watched a movie in English subtitles written by a Russian, in cyrillic.

Translation goes back to camera company where one of their executives edits it, while drunk. Then runs it through the cheapest OCR/printer setup app they could buy because the project was over budget.

Printer produces manuals, in multiple languages.

Little old lady on packaging line puts wrong language manual in box with your new camera.

But you can't tell the difference so you play with buttons and dials and then post question on UHH where someone who would not make it in a school classroom* gets upset because others have asked the same question.

*Hint you get a new group of students every year, or even every semester. And they all ask the same questions over and over. Oh, sometimes you get someone who failed the class and is in it again (my record was a student who was in the class for the 5th time, 3 of them with me). They don't even know what questions to ask for the most part.
Besides, many cannot understand the manual. br Man... (show quote)


If my kids who've been to magnet schools all their lives can learn to turn Ebonics off and on like water, I figure I can do the same (and have done so) with the Jenglish in camera manuals... The translators all seem to use the same patterns in taking Japanese to English. And they have improved over the last four decades!

Like Noam Chomsky at MIT has said, all language has a logical structure, rules of syntax, and recognizable, learnable, logically sensible patterns. There really is no such thing as ignorant speech... just speech we haven't learned to interpret!

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Apr 6, 2016 08:39:00   #
Tazzy Loc: Tampa area
 
Since you are having a bad hair day, don't take it out on the rest of us who are doing just fine. Wait to post AFTER you have figured out how your phone works&#128519;&#128539;&#129299;. The manual would probably tell you that cameras don't make calls!

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Apr 6, 2016 08:43:09   #
Mary Kate Loc: NYC
 
winterrose wrote:
Until one day I woke up to myself and realized what I was doing I would actually search the net and download an OP's camera manual then delve into it to find the answer before translating it into a simple to understand form. All this while the sod sat back and waited.....How dumb is that? Now if the OP offered money.......


You do ramble on.

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Apr 6, 2016 08:46:16   #
authorizeduser Loc: Monroe, Michigan
 
LFingar wrote:
Could you explain your post? I only read the first 5 or 6 words. BTW, while I have your attention, can you tell me how to turn on my camera? Thanks in advance! :-D


Excellent reply .... excellent!

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Apr 6, 2016 09:01:34   #
Bear2 Loc: Southeast,, MI
 
Turn to Chanel 9, on the D 810......
Question, why is there an on switch, but no off switch?

uote=winterrose]I'm just cranky 'cause I can't work out how to make a phone call on my D810......[/quote]

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Apr 6, 2016 09:11:11   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
winterrose wrote:
Sure, and I've seen some pretty weird explanations in manuals, and it's not not confined to photo equipment but there is so much information on the web that a quick search has always provided me with illumination.

So if I need to find the answer to something I endeavor to research it myself, that way not only do I inevitably learn a whole lot of other stuff but when the subject of my query proves to have a "duuuhhh!" light bulb moment at least 30,000 others out there don't shake their heads at my stupidity.

Rob..
Sure, and I've seen some pretty weird explanations... (show quote)


i certainly cannot speak to the efficacy of manuals other than the one for my leica monochrom. it is clearly written in plain english and following the directions gets one where they want to go. if all manuals were written as clearly, perhaps it wouldn't be so frustrating for new owners of digital imaging devices to master them.

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Apr 6, 2016 09:18:01   #
Mondolinni Loc: Long Island, New York
 
You Got That Right! Nicely said.
Bobbee wrote:
I guess the point is if you don't like answering questions the question is why are you on a forum that lets one post boring pictures of birds and flowers but also allows one to help people. i agree some people's questions are really basic. I have been on the giving end of many things in my life. It is of no amazement how people just don't understand things. But then I understand I have a good ability to be on the up side of understanding. I just share to those who can not do this. Not a religions person but any stretch of the imagination but......isn't that what Gods intended us to do. Not kill each other over self proclaimed images of him, put money in the basket at church or put down other peoples beliefs. All he want us to do is get along and help each other.
I guess the point is if you don't like answering q... (show quote)

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Apr 6, 2016 09:29:40   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
Some folks just don't do well with manuals. I've coached a few at my camera club who are like that. Patience is the key. As they get more familiar with the basics, their curiosity builds and they become more engaged in the details. I'm no technical guru myself and that's probably why I can help them without being way over their heads. Just try to keep it simple.

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Apr 6, 2016 09:34:06   #
paulrph1 Loc: Washington, Utah
 
winterrose wrote:
If people actually took a little time to get off their backsides and read the manual of their apparently far too complicated toys most of us wouldn't have to waste our time spoon feeding the lazy sods........


C'mon now it is not just a matter of reading the manual it is a matter of then having to figure it out. This means getting out the camera and moving a few dials, doodling a few setting, and checking.
Oh, one other thing when it does not work out you can always blame the other guy.

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Apr 6, 2016 09:50:48   #
winterrose Loc: Kyneton, Victoria, Australia
 
paulrph1 wrote:
C'mon now it is not just a matter of reading the manual it is a matter of then having to figure it out. This means getting out the camera and moving a few dials, doodling a few setting, and checking.


YES! You actually have to go out and try to take a photo......

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Apr 6, 2016 09:56:18   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
Good to hear from you again Winterrose, I was starting to miss your soothing words of reason and encouragement.

winterrose wrote:
If people actually took a little time to get off their backsides and read the manual of their apparently far too complicated toys most of us wouldn't have to waste our time spoon feeding the lazy sods........

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Apr 6, 2016 10:04:42   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
Now that is funny!
Bobbee wrote:
I looked in my manual. I cannot find the section on how to shoot a wedding. What settings do I use? Lens? Should I use off camera flash. How much should I charge? All missing in my manual.

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Apr 6, 2016 10:06:02   #
winterrose Loc: Kyneton, Victoria, Australia
 
Jimmy T wrote:
Now that is funny!


I find it rather sad.....

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Apr 6, 2016 10:17:54   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
The problem with manuals is that focusing may be covered in one page. In a book like Darrell Young's Mastering the Nikon D800 it covers 26 pages.

While covering EVERYTHING, manuals are rather perfunctory.

I never read the manual, I bought the book.

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