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Mar 20, 2016 13:48:47   #
lev29 Loc: Born and living in MA.
 
Marionsho wrote:
What difference does it make? "remembered anything worthwhile." "End of story."
jaymatt, What difference does it make?
That initially came across as a pretty negative attitude IMHO, but then I studied what you went on to say.
I agree with what you say, until you get to "End of story."
I look back at all these times in my life with great pleasure. They were all good times in my life. And then think about the significance of the events.
JFK- Grade school -they rolled TV's into the rooms and we just watched the news for the rest of the day.
OJ-At work in the main cafeatirea, Boeing, Wichita.
In a very large room full of people, ("Boeing TV" on every TV in the room) no one said a word, for the longest time! When they did start talking, I had to leave to work at another building.
9/11- Good days, living with my new girlfriend in KC MO.
She called home from work and told me to turn on the TV. I was between jobs at the time.
John Lennon- College daze.
This marked a very sad day, for a close friend that was a BIG fan. He had got to see them live, in KC MO (I think).
"End of story?" The story's REALLY got started 'after' these events in history.
Thanks for the memories. Marion
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Mar 20, 2016 15:38:06   #
Bullittjon Loc: Minnesota
 
OJ verdict: I was in a conference room at work with about 20 other co-workers

JFK: I was in 1st grade; they let us go home early.

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Mar 20, 2016 15:52:19   #
pdsdville Loc: Midlothian, Tx
 
Didn't give a rat's you know what about OJ. It wasn't a major event in the shape of the world. I was sitting in Spanish class in high school when it was announced over the intercom about Kennedy. School was dismissed within fifteen minutes.

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Mar 20, 2016 16:37:52   #
wuzfuzzab Loc: Red Deer, Alberta
 
When JFK was assassinated I was in 82 Airborne Div. and that day I was at Pope Airbase rigging vehicles for a heavy drop. All activity stopped in disbelief. Later we were put on 24 hour standby. We really thought we were going to jump somewhere. Hell, we wanted to go. As for O.J.----who cares!!!

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Mar 20, 2016 18:10:13   #
Gregger Loc: Phoenix area
 
People of our generation (born in the 40-50's) most all remember where they were when Kennedy was assassinated.. If one asks of those born in their late 60's or 70's 'their answer will be" I remember where I was when the Challenger was destroyed". Those born in the 1920-30's will most often say they remember when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. Most to these people have passed on. Each generation a tragedy occurs most remember where they were the day it occurred. I was in class waiting to take a physics test when Kennedy was assassinated. .. There were only four students in the classroom. One student was fortunate enough to have a transistor radio. We were near one of the windows for better reception. I remember being asked by the commentator to take a moment of prayer. We all held hands kneeled and did so. When the instructor came in he had tears in his eyes. This was a final test for the quarter. He told us to take the test, but he doubted very much if he would grade them. We don't forget such events. My mother told me she was in the bedroom ironing when she heard Pearl had been attacked.

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Mar 20, 2016 19:07:04   #
dfran Loc: Dallas, Pa
 
lev29 wrote:
Sorry, I'm unable to follow your train of thought. Do you have an alternative explanation as to how the OJ criminal trial verdict was not a matter of Jury Nullification? I'm serious; my mind isn't 100% made up. Please edify me.

So you are saying that the Judge (Ito) nullified the juries verdict of NOT GUILTY!!! Please explain to me how you can say it was Jury Nulliifacation??? OJ was found NOT GUILTY by the Jury and that verdict stood!!!

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Mar 20, 2016 19:40:27   #
lev29 Loc: Born and living in MA.
 
dfran wrote:
So you are saying that the Judge (Ito) nullified the juries verdict of NOT GUILTY!!! Please explain to me how you can say it was Jury Nulliifacation??? OJ was found NOT GUILTY by the Jury and that verdict stood!!!
No, I am not. My understanding of the term "jury nullification" is NOT one in which the Judge necessarily nullifies the verdict of a jury. Although I could be wrong, I thought that the evidence presented was sufficiently convincing that OJ was guilty of murder. If you're a legal buff and know a lot about this case, please feel free to set me straight.

But assuming for the moment that I am correct (and the verdict delivered to him in the subsequent civil trial would support that,) true jury nullification means finding a verdict in spite of sufficient facts to the contrary. I am under the impression that the verdict of OJ's criminal trial is widely considered to be an example of jury nullification. No, I don't have any prepared sources to cite.

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Mar 20, 2016 19:51:02   #
waywest Loc: las vegas
 
that jury was chosen out of Compton Ca. case closed, set him free. i've been there and you never want to stop or have your windows down as you could easily die right there. even eye witnesses or video would not have convicted OJ with those people. really

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Mar 20, 2016 20:15:39   #
larimarpugs Loc: california
 
The "good" out of the OJ thing was that a friend of mine had a foal born the day the jury was sent to deliberate; and one born the day the jury returned with the verdict. Names of the foals - The Jury's Out and The Verdict's In.....both are (were) outstanding show horses.

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Mar 20, 2016 20:30:24   #
dfran Loc: Dallas, Pa
 
lev29 wrote:
No, I am not. My understanding of the term "jury nullification" is NOT one in which the Judge necessarily nullifies the verdict of a jury. Although I could be wrong, I thought that the evidence presented was sufficiently convincing that OJ was guilty of murder. If you're a legal buff and know a lot about this case, please feel free to set me straight.

But assuming for the moment that I am correct (and the verdict delivered to him in the subsequent civil trial would support that,) true jury nullification means finding a verdict in spite of sufficient facts to the contrary. I am under the impression that the verdict of OJ's criminal trial is widely considered to be an example of jury nullification. No, I don't have any prepared sources to cite.
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Civil trials don't require anywhere near the proof that a criminal trial requires for a guilty verdict. Therefore your whole argument is based on a false pretense!!! There was no proof that the jury returned a verdict contrary to their belief that OJ was guilty! I thought he was guilty, but I listened to everyday of testimony and I would have found him Not Guilty, based on the evidence provided by the prosecution!!! there was NO jury nullification!!

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Mar 20, 2016 21:06:01   #
waywest Loc: las vegas
 
NOT GUILTY HUH? i'll take a wild guess and say you voted for obama twice.

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Mar 20, 2016 21:12:50   #
PinOakEO Loc: NA
 
Gregger wrote:
People of our generation (born in the 40-50's) most all remember where they were when Kennedy was assassinated.. If one asks of those born in their late 60's or 70's 'their answer will be" I remember where I was when the Challenger was destroyed". Those born in the 1920-30's will most often say they remember when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. Most to these people have passed on. Each generation a tragedy occurs most remember where they were the day it occurred. I was in class waiting to take a physics test when Kennedy was assassinated. .. There were only four students in the classroom. One student was fortunate enough to have a transistor radio. We were near one of the windows for better reception. I remember being asked by the commentator to take a moment of prayer. We all held hands kneeled and did so. When the instructor came in he had tears in his eyes. This was a final test for the quarter. He told us to take the test, but he doubted very much if he would grade them. We don't forget such events. My mother told me she was in the bedroom ironing when she heard Pearl had been attacked.
People of our generation (born in the 40-50's) mos... (show quote)


Challenger: In a gov't office building, working.

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Mar 20, 2016 21:17:21   #
lev29 Loc: Born and living in MA.
 
dfran wrote:
Civil trials don't require anywhere near the proof that a criminal trial requires for a guilty verdict. Therefore your whole argument is based on a false pretense!!! There was no proof that the jury returned a verdict contrary to their belief that OJ was guilty! I thought he was guilty, but I listened to everyday of testimony and I would have found him Not Guilty, based on the evidence provided by the prosecution!!! there was NO jury nullification!!
dfran, I thought of qualifying my supporting thought about the burden of proof not being so high in a civil vs criminal trial, but just left it out for the time being. However, it's your disclosure about your following the case at the time and your own conclusion that intrigues me to challenge my own concept that I heard this to be a "classic case" of j.n. So a possible "Hooray" for you.

On the other hand, the conclusion you reached in your second is utterly incorrect. Where did I state that my "whole argument" was based on the verdict in the civil trial? WHERE?

The answer to that is simply that I didn't. I recommend that you carefully review what I wrote in parentheses in the first sentence of the second paragraph of my last reply to you. Then, if you decide to reply to this post, I'll be sure to see that you retracted your rather premature conclusion. You see, I don't mind being successfully convinced to change my position on a particular topic. I simply request that any adversaries use logic and concede when they haven't. Follow? &#129300;&#128515;&#128526;

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Mar 20, 2016 21:56:59   #
Lady Red Loc: Puget Sound, WA
 
For OJ, working for Mellon Bank in Pgh, PA.

For JFK, at school in 4th grade.

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Mar 20, 2016 22:28:11   #
1Feathercrest Loc: NEPA
 
The planes could not possibly have brought down the THREE buildings. They were ALL brought down by controlled demolition (simultaneous thermite destruction of the main steel pillars). Thousands of structural engineers around the world confirm this and contradict the disseminated public report.

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