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Mar 18, 2016 11:10:39   #
IsoBob Loc: Hamilton, NJ
 
Jerry, which model Kenko did you use for this test?
Bob

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Mar 18, 2016 15:34:57   #
Regis Loc: Coeur d' Alene, Idaho
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I took these comparison shots with a D750, Nikon 35-70mm f/2.8 on a tripod. The lens was set to f/11, ISO 100, raw. I used the timer to snap the shutter. I cropped each shot to roughly 1:1 with no processing at all - just the cropping. I exported them at full resolution, 1200 px on the long side. The TC was a Kenko 1.4X.


The TC photos look better.

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Mar 18, 2016 16:42:45   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Regis wrote:
The TC photos look better.

Strange, huh?

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Mar 18, 2016 17:21:06   #
Regis Loc: Coeur d' Alene, Idaho
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Strange, huh?


I seem to get a sharper photo using my Canon 1.4x III with my Canon 100-400 II lens.

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Mar 18, 2016 17:22:04   #
pmackd Loc: Alameda CA
 
When testing a TC to see how well it increases reach without damaging IQ you should compare the cropped-to-the-same size shot without the TC with the TC shot. One way is to select a distant target and crop in each case so the target fills the frame or the same fraction of the frame. This must be done carefully so that the two shots are exposed the same or that one can be corrected slightly to match the other.

Be prepared for surprises. All TCs impact IQ, but the real question is what will happen AFTER sharpening. Using the Kenko 1.4x TC I recently followed the procedure outlined above with my Nikon 200-500 f5.6 mm lens at 500mm. I found that the unsharpened (RAW SOOC) shot with the TC (700mm equivalent) was less sharp than the one without the TC. This would imply that using the TC was pointless. But when I compared the SHARPENED shots I came to the opposite conclusion.

I also found that stopping the lens down from f5.6 to f8 (without the TC) produced the sharpest image of all. I did not compare with TC on and lens at f8 because that would be net f11, and autofocus would not work at all.

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Mar 18, 2016 17:23:36   #
jimbrown3 Loc: Naples, FL
 
Instructions from Kenko TELEPLUS 1.4 PRO DGX.
"Kenko TELEPLUS is designed to be best for use with longer telephoto lenses. When using with over 100mm lens, it improves the resolution at the peripheral corners and prevents deterioration of light".

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Mar 19, 2016 09:53:46   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
jimbrown3 wrote:
Instructions from Kenko TELEPLUS 1.4 PRO DGX.
"Kenko TELEPLUS is designed to be best for use with longer telephoto lenses. When using with over 100mm lens, it improves the resolution at the peripheral corners and prevents deterioration of light".

My longest lens is 28-300mm. If I wanted to spend several thousand dollars for a really long lens - well, I wouldn't do that. The TC extends the reach of the lenses I have.

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Mar 19, 2016 10:01:12   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
pmackd wrote:
When testing a TC to see how well it increases reach without damaging IQ you should compare the cropped-to-the-same size shot without the TC with the TC shot.

There is no such thing as a perfect comparison because there are too many variables. No matter what I did, someone would offer another set of adjustments. I loaded them into LR and clicked on 1:1 so I could view more detail. If I had cropped them to the same size, someone would say that wasn't fair because one image was enlarged more than the other.

I did this test for two reasons. I wanted to see how much the TC affected image quality, and I wanted to see how much more zoom it produced. I'm satisfied on both counts, so the test was Perfect! :D

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Mar 19, 2016 23:40:00   #
ballsafire Loc: Lafayette, Louisiana
 
jerryc41 wrote:
There is no such thing as a perfect comparison because there are too many variables. No matter what I did, someone would offer another set of adjustments. I loaded them into LR and clicked on 1:1 so I could view more detail. If I had cropped them to the same size, someone would say that wasn't fair because one image was enlarged more than the other.

I did this test for two reasons. I wanted to see how much the TC affected image quality, and I wanted to see how much more zoom it produced. I'm satisfied on both counts, so the test was Perfect! :D
There is no such thing as a perfect comparison bec... (show quote)


:thumbup: :-D :-D that is what I believe too!

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Mar 20, 2016 00:37:24   #
dugole Loc: Matawan, New Jersey
 
Regis wrote:
I seem to get a sharper photo using my Canon 1.4x III with my Canon 100-400 II lens.


Regis - your comment about the better IQ using the 100-400 and the 1.4 is interesting. I also use the 1.4 Mk III along with the 100-400 Mk II and I find my IQ suffers with that combo. This begs the question - I use this combo with the Canon 5D Mk III and you use the 7D Mk II or 5DS/5DS R(?), is it the sensors that make the difference? Or can the difference be blamed on micro adjustment, or glass component differences?

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Mar 20, 2016 09:29:18   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
dugole wrote:
Regis - your comment about the better IQ using the 100-400 and the 1.4 is interesting. I also use the 1.4 Mk III along with the 100-400 Mk II and I find my IQ suffers with that combo. This begs the question - I use this combo with the Canon 5D Mk III and you use the 7D Mk II or 5DS/5DS R(?), is it the sensors that make the difference? Or can the difference be blamed on micro adjustment, or glass component differences?

How about variations between two different TCs? What we need is a lab that can put several identical TC through tests to see if there are significant differences between production models.

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Mar 20, 2016 10:30:07   #
ballsafire Loc: Lafayette, Louisiana
 
Yes, but I don't see anyone working on this problem soonÂ…. they would open new cans of wormsÂ…. someone's brand would be "gored". I personally would love to see a comprehensive test between all the TC's!

jerryc41 wrote:
How about variations between two different TCs? What we need is a lab that can put several identical TC through tests to see if there are significant differences between production models.

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Mar 20, 2016 12:26:54   #
wingclui44 Loc: CT USA
 
After reading jerryc41's post about the Kenko1.4x tele converter. I did my own test with my Kenko Teleplus Pro 300 DGX 1.4x tele converter and the Nion 300mm f4.0 AFs-D lens on my Df.

That's the result: First one, I used the TC at 420mm f5.6 1/30sec. ISO-160, exp. comp. at +1, 30ft. away.

Second one, no TC, 300mm f5.6 1/30sec. ISO-180, exp.comp. at +1, about 20ft away, to make the same fame coverage as the first one.

I made a mistake, my camera was not exactly lining up with the table, and a little off to the right, so it made the lens on the right side in the photo a little out of focus due to wider F stop.
My original focus point was at the marking of the middle lens.


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Mar 20, 2016 12:57:40   #
ballsafire Loc: Lafayette, Louisiana
 
The TC seems to have made the image darker in the first shot, and lighter in the second image without the TC. --- right?

wingclui44 wrote:
After reading jerryc41's post about the Kenko1.4x tele converter. I did my own test with my Kenko Teleplus Pro 300 DGX 1.4x tele converter and the Nion 300mm f4.0 AFs-D lens on my Df.

That's the result: First one, I used the TC at 420mm f5.6 1/30sec. ISO-160, exp. comp. at +1, 30ft. away.

Second one, no TC, 300mm f5.6 1/30sec. ISO-180, exp.comp. at +1, about 20ft away, to make the same fame coverage as the first one.

I made a mistake, my camera was not exactly lining up with the table, and a little off to the right, so it made the lens on the right side in the photo a little out of focus due to wider F stop.
My original focus point was at the marking of the middle lens.
After reading jerryc41's post about the Kenko1.4x ... (show quote)

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Mar 20, 2016 13:10:49   #
jimbrown3 Loc: Naples, FL
 
Hi Dugole. I use the 100-400 II plus the TC 1.4 III on my 5D III and 7D II. My results are that the combo have been my go to lens for birding and I am really happy with the IQ through the entire zoom range. Have you micro adjusted this combo with your 5D III ? I have with both the 100mm end and 400mm with the TC 1.4 III and without on both cameras. Both needed adjusting with the lens alone and with the 1.4 TC.

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