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Mar 2, 2016 03:17:21   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
Bobspez wrote:
The most valuable person is the one who gets the job done the quickest and correctly. Manuals are rarely written by experts, they are most often written by those with an elementary knowledge of the subject, and that's why they are often incomplete and difficult to underststand. They often create more questions than they answer. If an expert maintenance man needs an answer he goes to the person that designed the system, or to someone who has the answer, he does not rely on some amateur who wrote the manual.
The most valuable person is the one who gets the j... (show quote)

You are fabricating a story to support your previous statements. None of the above is true, and from what you've said about your work history you should know that well.

Tech writers are experts at writing, but also at finding out what to write. Claiming they are "some amateur", and produce poor products ( "incomplete and difficult" ) is pure bull.

I wouldn't argue so much with that if you had aimed it only at consumer products and their user manuals. But you've made it clear you are including, if not mostly referencing, professional quality manuals written for high end equipment (which most of the cameras we are discussing actually fit into, though clearly not the entry level models).

I worked for decades in the long distance telecommunications industry, where everyone from the newest clerk up to the senior executive management read tech manuals (the two end extremes somewhat less than anyone in between). Senior operations or marketing managers that couldn't or wouldn't read manuals well enough to interface with high end engineers and technicians simply did not remain employed.

There was no such thing as go around the manual and access the person who designed something, or for that matter even access the tech writer who wrote the manual! Either you have the manual and you read it, or get on the horn and find somebody who does have it and can read it!

I have no doubt at all that every quality high tech company works essentially the same in that respect, to the degree that they are successful...

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Mar 2, 2016 04:37:30   #
willie_gunn Loc: Oxfordshire, UK
 
You clearly don't own any Apple devices - it's not a case of RTFM as WTFM &#128521;

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Mar 2, 2016 06:28:52   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Bobspez wrote:
35mm SLR's all had split screen viewfinders that made manual focusing quick and exact. I don't know of any digital cameras that do. I know there are split screens that can be installed to do this but reviews I have read indicate that it causes less light to enter the view finder and the lcd screen, which can be problematic in low light. Also once installed I read that they can make your autofocus less efficient.
I've got a bunch of manual focus Nikkor lenses which I can only use with the lcd screen and the magnify button, because my eyesight can't manually focus through the viewfinder.
Does anyone know if any dslrs in the past or present had built in split screen viewfinders,
and why they were eliminated?
35mm SLR's all had split screen viewfinders that m... (show quote)


I've several lenses that are manual focus, including a Zeiss from my Hasselblad that I've adapted to my D700. All of them will light the Focus Light when the scene is in focus. That's how I verify focus.
--Bob

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Mar 2, 2016 06:42:07   #
grillmaster5062
 
The main issue with split screen focussing is that with a long telephoto lens the central area would black out and be useless for helping focus. The new matte screens and auto focus are much better.

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Mar 2, 2016 06:50:32   #
kschwegl Loc: Orangeburg, NY
 
Bobspez wrote:
35mm SLR's all had split screen viewfinders that made manual focusing quick and exact. I don't know of any digital cameras that do. I know there are split screens that can be installed to do this but reviews I have read indicate that it causes less light to enter the view finder and the lcd screen, which can be problematic in low light. Also once installed I read that they can make your autofocus less efficient.
I've got a bunch of manual focus Nikkor lenses which I can only use with the lcd screen and the magnify button, because my eyesight can't manually focus through the viewfinder.
Does anyone know if any dslrs in the past or present had built in split screen viewfinders,
and why they were eliminated?
35mm SLR's all had split screen viewfinders that m... (show quote)


With split screen, you're stuck with one focus point. With DSLRs you can choose a focus point without moving the camera. Would be nice to have split screen and multiple focus points.

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Mar 2, 2016 07:19:17   #
Leitz Loc: Solms
 
Bobspez wrote:
Pablo stated exactly where to find the green dot and I did. Didn't need any instruction other than to know about it and where it was.


If you think this is a revelation, just wait til you learn what the shutter release button is for!

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Mar 2, 2016 07:39:33   #
Lupin Loc: West Sussex, U.K.
 
Has no-one else got a Fuji X100T? It has an optional digital split-screen for manual focussing. I don't find it particularly useful or accurate - but its there never-the- less!

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Mar 2, 2016 07:39:52   #
rmm0605 Loc: Atlanta GA
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Split screens etc are no longer needed. Auto focus is way more accurate than any of us can be, especially if you shoot anything that moves faster than a mountain. And for those that think they need to focus manually there is LV with 10x magnification or more!!
If you're a bug chaser, I think that's why they make focusing rails!!! ;-)
SS


I have some NEW Zeiss lenses that don't autofocus. They MUST be hand focused.

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Mar 2, 2016 08:17:29   #
twillsol Loc: St. Louis, MO
 
Bobspez wrote:
You need to focus manually with manual only focus lenses, which most of my lenses are. No question that autofocus is better for me but I only have three auto focus lenses and about a dozen manual focus ones. But I imagine when the first DSLR's came out many people had manual focus lenses. So why did the DSLR market abandon that feature? To force everyone to buy autofocus lenses?


Nikon is not forcing you to buy autofocs lenses. I have Nikon, and it is easy to manual focus. Just look on the left side and the green circle will light up when in focus. Easy to do.

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Mar 2, 2016 08:25:40   #
Kuzano
 
Certainly a lot of speculation on this topic (really a lot of WAGing, and no real technically reasonable responses).

I used probably about a half dozen Katzeye split screens, purchased from the company at a bit over $100 each. User installable on all the camera's I used them with, as simple as all those focusing aids purchased for virtually all pro level SLR's in the 70's and on. They were so on most intermediate and pro level DSLR's.

It might be interesting to know why Katzeye went out of business. I presume because of lack of sales, or interest in the split screen focusing over focus prism circles in the center of the screen. Also mentioned, evolving AF and focus peaking.

The question of affect on exposure, was somewhat resolved by paying extra for their Opti-brite coating, and/or determining the effect on exposure, which was spoken to by their marketing. One simply found the correction factor in usage and used exposure compensation accordingly, on all shots. In other words, just set E/C permanently on the correction setting.

Split screen simply didn't work for all people, being necessary to get the eye in the viewfinder perfectly centered over the focus spot as apertures got smaller and half the split screen area going dark.

I think split screen focusing simply died a lingering death by the inexact (lazy) function of people using the system. I think Katzeye simply went out of business because of a lack of people willing to spend the extra money and the willingness to do the work necessary to properly use the split screen technique.

I purchased split screen options from Katzeye until they went out of business, and miss the opportunity to use split screen focus, which was, for me faster and more accurate than most AF systems and the trust involved to use costly electronics over what my eyes were telling me.

But the world changes, and like the good little sheep we are, we succumb to corporate thinking.

I mean, HELL, we're going to elect Donalt Trump.... right?????

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Mar 2, 2016 08:31:24   #
Blasthoff Loc: Life halved NY and IN
 
Apaflo wrote:
RTFM when all else has failed.

D3100: pages 26 and 63.

D7000: pages 38, 97, and 100.

There is no micro-prism nor a split screen focusing aide for the very simple reason that they are inadequate on a modern DSLR and significantly inferior to using the AF system, even with old manual focus lenses.

Incidentally that is true on the most recent film cameras too, as Auto Focus has nothing at all to do with digital vs. film.

Bull Pucky! That sounds like crap straight out of marketing literature.

I had my first Nikon dslr less then a week and I was shopping for a micro prism spit image rangefinder screen. First Hand Experience, "it's the ONLY way to fly" with MF lenses. If I had to depend on the erratic green light, I would, and in fact DID, put it down in frustration. There is GOOD reason WHY split image rangefinder screens were used with almost all MF cameras, because they WORKED! You can use the "green light" to confirm focus if it turns you on, but I'll be damned if I'd want to use it to "find focus" on a steady diet. I would also strongly disagree that the reason they're not used on auto focus cameras is because they are "inadequate", that's pure horse hockey. The reason is to keep the finder from being cluttered unnecessarily for most users and possibly because the center split image "may" affect "center spot metering" slightly with some lenses.

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Mar 2, 2016 08:33:50   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Bobspez wrote:
35mm SLR's all had split screen viewfinders that made manual focusing quick and exact. I don't know of any digital cameras that do. I know there are split screens that can be installed to do this but reviews I have read indicate that it causes less light to enter the view finder and the lcd screen, which can be problematic in low light. Also once installed I read that they can make your autofocus less efficient.
I've got a bunch of manual focus Nikkor lenses which I can only use with the lcd screen and the magnify button, because my eyesight can't manually focus through the viewfinder.
Does anyone know if any dslrs in the past or present had built in split screen viewfinders,
and why they were eliminated?
35mm SLR's all had split screen viewfinders that m... (show quote)


I have installed the split screen for two of my Nikons and have not had any issues at all.

While i agree that modern AF is very good and very fact, there are some situations where a little bit more control is needed. For example, when focus stacking in a macro shot I find it very helpful.

I think they went away as a standard feature because Nikon (and others) figured out that thee was pretty limited demand for this.

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Mar 2, 2016 08:53:00   #
authorizeduser Loc: Monroe, Michigan
 
rehess wrote:
I'm guessing that standard split-screen is one of several conveniences that were done away with {as no longer being "necessary"} when auto-focus was implemented {even before digital replaced film}.

If I hold the shutter button partway down {as I would to pre-focus} while performing manual focusing on my Pentax, the "focus achieved" light flashes when the camera thinks focus is right. Does your camera do something like that to help out?


It has been my experience the little focus light is NOT always accurate.

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Mar 2, 2016 09:02:14   #
JPL
 
Bobspez wrote:
35mm SLR's all had split screen viewfinders that made manual focusing quick and exact. I don't know of any digital cameras that do. I know there are split screens that can be installed to do this but reviews I have read indicate that it causes less light to enter the view finder and the lcd screen, which can be problematic in low light. Also once installed I read that they can make your autofocus less efficient.
I've got a bunch of manual focus Nikkor lenses which I can only use with the lcd screen and the magnify button, because my eyesight can't manually focus through the viewfinder.
Does anyone know if any dslrs in the past or present had built in split screen viewfinders,
and why they were eliminated?
35mm SLR's all had split screen viewfinders that m... (show quote)


No, I don't know why they eliminated this from dslr, but I know the solution to your problem. I bought a Sony A7r to use with my manual focus lenses. It does not have the split screen but a focus magnifier. You only need to press one button to be able to focus manually as easily or better than with the split screen. I love it. It is ten times easier than to use live view

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Mar 2, 2016 09:08:30   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Bobspez wrote:
35mm SLR's all had split screen viewfinders that made manual focusing quick and exact. I don't know of any digital cameras that do. I know there are split screens that can be installed to do this but reviews I have read indicate that it causes less light to enter the view finder and the lcd screen, which can be problematic in low light. Also once installed I read that they can make your autofocus less efficient.
I've got a bunch of manual focus Nikkor lenses which I can only use with the lcd screen and the magnify button, because my eyesight can't manually focus through the viewfinder.
Does anyone know if any dslrs in the past or present had built in split screen viewfinders,
and why they were eliminated?
35mm SLR's all had split screen viewfinders that m... (show quote)

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