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African Safari Photo and Hunting Trip Question
Feb 15, 2016 14:18:48 #
So true in many areas - here where I live - the forest/mountain foot hills of CA there are so many homes on large lots some are 1 to 5 acres homes are to close to fire a gun legally so the deer population keeps growing only to be thinned by the road kill and old age. Yes there is many Bucks killed outside the populated area but there is no doe season - Oh we do have an increasing Mountain lion population that feeds on a few deer, wild turkeys and dogs and cats that venture out side at night too.
bdk wrote:
The hunters are NOT doing their job. get their butts out there and shoot something..... Id rather the deer be on someones table than laying on the side of the road .
Feb 15, 2016 14:50:31 #
Harvey wrote:
So true in many areas - here where I live - the fo... (show quote)
We have the classic case of what is legal isn't necessarily safe or smart. It is legal to discharge a firearm where I live. And my next door neighbor's house is maybe 20 feet from mine. No way would I ever consider firing a gun here. And, as a result, the deer (forest rats) eat all my wife's flowers. They act like we've simply set up a smorgasbord for them. And they aren't afraid of people, either. Go and yell and they just look at you. No cougars (lower case 'c', upper case 'C' would mean WSU Cougars and we are such) here, but we do have fox, raccoons, etc that have caused us to keep the cats inside.
Feb 15, 2016 17:43:29 #
According to a Cornell University study, the Deer population in 1900, the contiguous 48 was under 500,000. Today there are over 20 million! Deer are intelligent and have learned to live with and around humans.
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Feb 15, 2016 17:50:49 #
Feb 15, 2016 17:55:03 #
ronf78155
Loc: Seguin Texas
boberic wrote:
Are you hunting for meat or trophy? I have no problem with the former but if the latter
- stay the hell out of anywhere. All trophy hunters want to prove is how big their Penis is.
- stay the hell out of anywhere. All trophy hunters want to prove is how big their Penis is.
Why not just photograph these beautiful animals without killing them. Im sure others would just as interested in viewing these beautiful creatures as you did
Feb 15, 2016 18:28:59 #
Same here - it is illegal to feed them but many folks still do which adds to the problem you describe - I did find some packages of Deer Resistant wild flower seeds last summer was the first time we had colorful flowers in the front yard for more than a few/darn few days in the 10 yrs we lived up here.
Ghery wrote:
We have the classic case of what is legal isn't ne... (show quote)
most always deer in this fellows yard
Feb 15, 2016 18:54:25 #
Your post is not an unusual reply from a person who is not really up on what most hunting is about - food for the table. Yes - in some cases there is trophy hunting which in some cases is - killing off older animals that are past their breeding capabilities and add $$ into rural economies - as well as extra $$ to Fish & Game Departments for the permits. Myself I was quite proud of a monster 6 point Elk I "Harvested" as a young man while living in No. ID - not as tender as the 4 pointer the year before but it fed us with 700 lbs of meat.
I am 77 now and have been shooting trophy bucks with my camera for the past 15 yrs.
I am 77 now and have been shooting trophy bucks with my camera for the past 15 yrs.
ronf78155 wrote:
Why not just photograph these beautiful animals without killing them. Im sure others would just as interested in viewing these beautiful creatures as you did
LOL - this guy is in the Local Indean Reservation
This felow was next to the driveway at our Church
Some time I miss the main topic
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Feb 15, 2016 20:48:47 #
we used to shoot water buffaloe wit a 50cal. machine gun from a huey in vietnam, they never knew what hit them. I would suggest getting a helicopter and shooting them from the air, that way you do not have to get you feet all nasty in that african mud. Have fun
Feb 15, 2016 20:54:05 #
think i posted on the wrong page, anyway get a helicopter and a 50 cal machine gun and shoot them from the air like we did in vietnam. they never see it coming, plus it really makes you feel manly, have fun killing animals and feeding the poor hungry african people.
Feb 15, 2016 21:14:37 #
With the exception of a few comments by folks that are not educated the responses have been wonderful and I really appreciate the feedback and suggestions. The planning is just starting and I suspect it will be several months before we get things aligned. So much to research and look forward too. We are both 65 years old so if we put this off much longer it may not be such an attractive trip to consider. Thanks again to all whom have offered support and suggestions. I tip my hat with the utmost respect and gratitude.
Feb 16, 2016 07:32:02 #
Julian wrote:
The 270 is called the 'deer slayer' down south, but I will also take down any four-legged creature in North America. Good hunting.
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Weatherby's .378 Mag would be my choice even if it is a bit much for the game you will be pursuing, however; it would be adequate for something much larger which might be stalking you. For a large caliber, Weatherby's .378 muzzle velocity enables it to still shoot flat out to 400yds, but it remains to be large enough to have the energy to take down most anything else. Elephants have been taken with it. When it comes to photography, I'd suggest that when you are carrying your camera, a Canon L series zoom be attached to it and you also have a S&W .460 Mag strapped to your hip. It is a tremendously powerful handgun and is advertised to handle most all large animals and it would be a good one to have in hand during an emergency.
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Feb 16, 2016 08:08:10 #
Robin19966 wrote:
think i posted on the wrong page, anyway get a helicopter and a 50 cal machine gun and shoot them from the air like we did in vietnam. they never see it coming, plus it really makes you feel manly, have fun killing animals and feeding the poor hungry african people.
Thanks but not wanting to feel manly as that is what I am. As far as using a helicopter and a 50 cal, I'll leave that to the Rambo types such as yourself. I prefer sportsmanship and fair chase.
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Feb 16, 2016 08:16:17 #
GregWCIL wrote:
Congrats on your trip, Dave. My wife and I are loo... (show quote)
We still have much research to do but our understanding is South Africa is better. No shots for disease are required and human unrest is not an issue. That being said please be diligent in your our research.
Feb 16, 2016 09:18:56 #
boberic wrote:
no but I do pay a fee when I fish. And we contribu... (show quote)
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I well understand the position that some people have taken by stating they do not approve of hunting animals to put food on the table, yet; unless those people are strict vegetarians, the beef, the poultry, the pork, and the fish they purchase at their local supermarket is an act of nothing other than paying someone else to do their killing for them, therefore; I should think that a hunter who hunts animals by "the fair chase method" is a person who not only enjoys hunting, but rather, the hunter is a person who also enjoys the outdoors and nature as well in many different ways. Additionally, many senior men today had at one time been hunters whereby later on in their lives they set aside their weapons, picked up cameras, and have become skilled in photography today. I say this because nature photography can often be a carry over or a blending factor whereby hunting interests of the past blends quite nicely with photographic captures of today.
Feb 16, 2016 10:01:16 #
ronf78155
Loc: Seguin Texas
I too have hunted deer, turkey, hogs, dove, quail, duck, and elk . My problem is not with those that hunt for the meat. I despise those that hunt just to mount a head on the wall and could care less about the meat. Ive put the 30.06 away and now hunt with a Canon 100-400L and 1.2 L multiplier
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