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Feb 15, 2016 15:50:11   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
Just to mention that with a D7xxx you can use an AF 50 mm f1.8. They are about $125 new. You can use them because the D7200 has a focus motor in the camera. If you get one be sure to lock it at f22 before using. Doing so does not lock it at f22: that is just to make the AF work.

I have both the 35mm AFS and the 50mm. I rarely use either one...but sometimes do. I use the 35 on my D5300 when I want to minimize weight. I use the 50 on my D800 when my 16-35 doesn't quite make it. I recently got a 24-85 VR so expect I won't be using the 50 any more.

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Feb 15, 2016 16:00:02   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
Wingpilot wrote:
I'm beginning to think that rather than have an actual "prime," I'd be better off with the short zoom, like the 18-55.


The Sigma 17-50 f2.8 is where I ended up. It has a good OS (Sigmaspeak for VR). It is fast and sharp. Much better than the Nikon kit 18-55. I take only it on my D5300 when I am on most vacation travel.

But it is both more expensive and heavier than the 35 and 50 AF together.

At home the D5300 gets the 200-500 for wildlife and the D800 the 24-85 allaround or 16-35 for landscape.

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Feb 15, 2016 16:04:38   #
pjarbit Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Buy both from BandH. Take them out shooting and see which one you like better. I did that with 17-55 vs 24-70. It helped me make the right choice.. Band h will let you return the one you don't want.

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Feb 15, 2016 16:47:44   #
Bram boy Loc: Vancouver Island B.C. Canada
 
Wingpilot wrote:
You may be right. As you might have gathered, I am not an advanced photographer. I just like to take pictures and want to have the right equipment for the subject matter I'm trying to photograph. I have no special type of photography, as some do. So I become a jack of all trades and a master of none, as they say.


i would get the 35mm for your camera , and if you had a full frame then get the 50mm, as buying the 35mm gets you right in the nifty fifty range , the equalivent of a fifty mm lens which is a normal lens ,for FF, the 35mm is in the normal lens range
for your camera , which means your seeing what your normal vision would see , and the fifty mm on your camera would in effect make your camera seem like you had a small tellascope
for eyes giving you super vision , in a house a get togeather
with friends , a 35mm is what you want over a 50mm and a 50 is not enough power , you want a zoom to go at least to 90, or 150 mm , or more not 75mm unless your doing a lot of face shots . if you can swing it get the sigma 18-36 mm its better than nikon and canon primes in its range , its about $700 , but you would have to spend around $4000 in nikon or canon primes to get the same coverage, only not as good as the sigma beat those tow in all the tests that count .

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Feb 15, 2016 17:02:21   #
Mark7829 Loc: Calfornia
 
wilsondl2 wrote:
That is wrong. It depends on the sensor/film format what type of lens is a wide angle - normal - long. I have 90mm lens that has "wide angle" on it. It is for my 4"X 5" view camera. If I rigged a bellows so I could use it on my crop frame it would be considered a telephoto. Still you are right in saying a 35mm is a 35mm no matter what you put it on. - Dave


No it is not wrong ... the DX is just FF cropped. It is cutting the field of view, not adding reach. I have no idea why are you adding a 4 x 5 film camera to the mix?

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Feb 15, 2016 17:06:50   #
pjarbit Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Bram boy wrote:
i would get the 35mm for your camera , and if you had a full frame then get the 50mm, as buying the 35mm gets you right in the nifty fifty range , the equalivent of a fifty mm lens which is a normal lens ,for FF, the 35mm is in the normal lens range
for your camera , which means your seeing what your normal vision would see , and the fifty mm on your camera would in effect make your camera seem like you had a small tellascope
for eyes giving you super vision , in a house a get togeathe
with friends , a 35mm is what you want over a 50mm and a 50 is not enough power , you want a zoom to go at least to 90, or 150 mm , or more not 75mm unless your doing a lot of face shots . if you can swing it get the sigma 18-36 mm its better than nikon and canon primes in its range , its about $700 , but you would have to spend around $4000 in nikon or canon primes to get the same coverage, only not as good as the sigma beat those tow in all the tests that count .
i would get the 35mm for your camera , and if you ... (show quote)


Holy sh-t talk about taking a simple concept and question and making it unintelligible. Try them both. Call it a day.

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Feb 15, 2016 18:25:33   #
Blasthoff Loc: Life halved NY and IN
 
rehess wrote:
Traditionally, street photographers used 35mm lenses, even when 50mm was "standard", because they wanted to be up-close-and-personal; doesn't using a 50mm lens with a crop sensor camera almost give you the perspective of a voyeur, observing from a distance, when doing street photography??

Street photographers used the 35mm (wide angle) lens for a number of reasons. One main reason was the increased depth of focus which allowed them to "zone focus" the camera for faster shots with manual focus lenses. An example would be, a 35mm film camera/35mm lens focused at 8ft @f/11 would give you a zone of aprox. 6ft-13.5ft in focus, if memory serves me. This was a carryover skill of news photographers from days using 4"x 5" press cameras. If you wanted to shoot fast with MF lenses you were compelled to learn to zone focus with a "short" lens.

PS: I see your from South Bend also so I'll give a, "Hi Neighbor, enjoying the snow?". Can't wait for Spring!

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Feb 15, 2016 18:31:55   #
RON 11 Loc: Pittsburgh
 
I suggest the 35mm for you. But just to confuse the issue let me say that I now use my 60mm micro lens almost all of the time now instead of my nifty 50. I call it my nifty sixty. And it works a little better than the 50 for portraits or street shooting than the 50 and leaves me a micro lens at my fingertips when I want to get close.

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Feb 16, 2016 01:30:21   #
rvenegas
 
The 50mm focal length lens was considered normal for standard 35mm film cameras long before the SLR configuration was invented. Clearly, 50mm is not the diagonal of the 24mm x 36mm format, which is as you say 43mm. The reason usually given by Leitz, Zeiss, and the others is that 50mm focal length best approximates the perspective the human eye gives.

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Feb 16, 2016 16:25:04   #
BIG ROB Loc: Princeton, NJ 08540
 
Wingpilot wrote:
But is that true with a DX format? Given the 1.5 crop factor, the 35mm would be closer to what the eye sees, wouldn't it? If that's true, then a 24mm DX lens would be more equivalent to a 35mm FX.

Yes, I suppose there will never be an end to that debate. I see a possible collection of lenses in my future should I see that D7200 come home with me from the store.


All this, and you don't have the D7200? I thought you had the camera...

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Feb 16, 2016 16:59:38   #
BIG ROB Loc: Princeton, NJ 08540
 
Wingpilot wrote:
Thanks. Actually, I'm not trying to limit myself, rather I'm looking into a prime lens for those times when I will want to just walk around with it and not be needing a zoom. Just an extra lens, so to speak. I'll always have a zoom.


IF you buy, The Camera, Make Certain That You Spend The Extra $300.00 And Purchase The VERY FINE AF-S 18-140G ED VR Lens, that is offered for sale along with it, in the sale discount Bundle! That's a very excellent lens, in every way! You can go onto, dxomark,com and read about it's performance, when it is mounted on a D7100 body, yourself! It's a great zoom lens, that anyone buying the D7200, should get!

Aside from, whether you want to get a 35 mm, or a 50 mm, or a 40 mm. Your choice should be between the 40 mm f/2.8 Micro Nikkor, if you value being able to focus down to one inch, and the 35 mm f/1.8G DX lens, if you prefer to have the extra high speed & light gathering ability! (If you want a 50 mm, get a 50 mm f/1.8D, since the D7200 has the built-in focusing motor.)

You need not be concerned with what you've heard about that Len's Barrel Distortion; This isn't going to be a real world issue to you, if you got that lens. That is one of THE MOST POPULAR LEN's. IN THE WORLD! EVERYONE. SIMPLY LOVES. THAT LENS. AND SO WILL YOU!
Look at the 2,300 customer reviews on Amazon.com! Listen to me ...you are so concerned with this lens selection business ...I've read, all five pages, of these posts, and I have to LOL! Just go, onto Ken Rockwell's Website, and READ, EVERYTHING THAT IS THERE, ABOUT BOTH, THE 35 MM AND THE 40 MM MICRO NIKKOR LENS ... AND GET YOURSELF AN EDUCATION ON BOTH OF THEM. (You can't listen to the opinions of sixty different people and ferret out true reality.
GO ONTO: Ken Rockwell's Site, And Read Up On These Two Nikon Len's, And Educate Yourself About Them. Do YOURSELF a big, favor! You will really learn allot, and be happy that you did! Take care...

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Feb 16, 2016 17:06:00   #
BIG ROB Loc: Princeton, NJ 08540
 
Mark7829 wrote:
The 5O is better for general photography. The 35 will make people and faces look slightly fatter.


Where do you get that from?

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Feb 16, 2016 17:10:23   #
BIG ROB Loc: Princeton, NJ 08540
 
Wingpilot wrote:
I'm beginning to think that rather than have an actual "prime," I'd be better off with the short zoom, like the 18-55.


This zoom lens, will not equal, the superior optical performance, and also the compact size and light weight of the prime Lens's. Nor the maximum f/stop or the bokeh. It will NOT be as sharp the prime, especially.

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Feb 16, 2016 17:17:10   #
BIG ROB Loc: Princeton, NJ 08540
 
Mark7829 wrote:
This 1.5 extension and getting closer with DX lenses has been over stated and now just a lie. It is a comparison of sensors between the full frame and crop. It is not a telephoto. A 35 mm DX is still a 35 mm DX. Note, to get the same frame dimensions on a full frame as on a crop. You are standing at different distances.


Due to the differing sensor sizes, they have two different ANGLES OF VIEW.

Due to the smaller sensor's, smaller size, RELATIVE, to the LARGER sensor, it's Image is, COMPARATIVELY, enlarged by 1.5 times.

The DX and the FX produce two different image sizes.

The DX is only the central portion of the FX's sensor.

So, it becomes enlarged by 1.5 X's on a Nikon DX.

It has a "Telephoto effect." The 1.5 X crop sensor magnification.

The different angle of view through the lens.

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Feb 16, 2016 19:20:15   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Mark7829 wrote:
This 1.5 extension and getting closer with DX lenses has been over stated and now just a lie. It is a comparison of sensors between the full frame and crop. It is not a telephoto. A 35 mm DX is still a 35 mm DX. Note, to get the same frame dimensions on a full frame as on a crop. You are standing at different distances.

Mark7829 wrote:
No it is not wrong ... the DX is just FF cropped. It is cutting the field of view, not adding reach. I have no idea why are you adding a 4 x 5 film camera to the mix?

"Lie" is a strong word to be using in this discussion, and his bringing a view camera into the discussion was an attempt to clarify the issue. Today many of us view a 35mm film camera as the base of all understanding, but that was not always the case; if this discussion had occurred 100 years ago, the 4 x 5 view camera would have provided a much more widely-understood base. Yes, a 35mm lens is always a 35mm lens, but the interpretation of that focal length depends on what you are used to. If "wide angle" means including a wider view of the scene (greater angle between the farthest left and farthest right portion of the image) than we are used to getting, then a 50mm lens is a "wide angle" lens on a view camera even though it is a "normal" lens on a 35mm camera. If "telephoto" means including a narrower view of the scene (lesser angle between the farthest left and farthest right portion of the image) than we are used to getting, then a 50mm lens is a seriously "telephoto" lens on my Pentax Q-7 (with a sensor whose diagonal is roughly 1/4.7 the diagonal of 35mm film) even though it is a "normal" lens on a 35mm camera and a "wide angle" lens on a view camera. It is all a matter of perspective, and there is no absolute point from which to define things.

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