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Feb 12, 2016 17:40:12   #
SBW
 
skylane5sp wrote:
"Uncommitted" is TommyTroll's middle name...


Are you sure? I thought I saw where he might be but I cannot recall exactly, sure I saw it but I cannot find it now. What exactly does uncommitted mean? I thought I knew the meaning once, but now I am not sure. Probably too racist to repeat anyway. If the sun shines today it may brighten my outlook but I cannot be sure or commit to that exactly. I am not sure we will ever know what I meant by this, but someone else may............You tell me, I am not sure. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Feb 12, 2016 17:54:46   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
travelwp wrote:
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Remember Obama and his "shovel ready jobs" speech and his "jobs is my #1 priority" speech. Democrats don't want blacks to succeed, they just want blacks to vote democrat.


U might be right.....

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Feb 12, 2016 21:01:57   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Opus wrote:
Actually the proper spelling is wacko. Had he followed the instructions given to him by law enforcement he would be alive today. By saying he would die rather than go to jail he let the police know his intentions. I have looked at the video numerous times and believe he was reaching for his gun. The shooting by law enforcement was justified.


Whatever he said had nothing to do with the issue; you're not allowed to kill someone just because he is a blowhard.

You belief that he was reaching for a gun also has nothing to do with it.

The police can shoot if he is about to murder someone; there must BE danger.

Past threats and police assumptions don't count.

There was absolutely no danger displayed, particular to the trooper behind him, who couldn't see him reaching for anything.

It was a bad shoot.

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Feb 12, 2016 21:14:15   #
SBW
 
Twardlow wrote:
Whatever he said had nothing to do with the issue; you're not allowed to kill someone just because he is a blowhard.

You belief that he was reaching for a gun also has nothing to do with it.

The police can shoot if he is about to murder someone; there must BE danger.

Past threats and police assumptions don't count.

There was absolutely no danger displayed, particular to the trooper behind him, who couldn't see him reaching for anything.

It was a bad shoot.


You are amazing. Amazingly stupid. If he was reaching for a gun which it appears he was and confirmed later then there was danger. Danger to law enforcement. What about that can't your small mind understand?

BTW, Michael Brown is dead.

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Feb 12, 2016 21:27:47   #
Opus Loc: South East Michigan
 
Twardlow wrote:
Whatever he said had nothing to do with the issue; you're not allowed to kill someone just because he is a blowhard.

You belief that he was reaching for a gun also has nothing to do with it.

The police can shoot if he is about to murder someone; there must BE danger.

Past threats and police assumptions don't count.

There was absolutely no danger displayed, particular to the trooper behind him, who couldn't see him reaching for anything.

It was a bad shoot.


Not a chance. A police officer only has to have reasonable belief that his life or the life of others are in danger to use deadly force. He tried to flee, almost ran over a police officer (attempted murder?) and did not surrender to the police. Instead of keeping his hands up he reaches toward the pocket were he had a loaded gun before turning his back to the camera, then it appears he reaches for the pocket again. Only the officer has a clear line of sight for that. His attempt to flee and his statement about dying before going to jail are all important factors which police can take into consideration. Called my brother (homicide detective), cousin George (civil rights attorney), nephew (high crime unit NYCPD), and they all agree that the officer had every right to shoot. This guy knew the score and thought he was above the law. I feel for his family but he brought this upon himself. Had he surrendered and not tried to flee he would still be alive.

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Feb 13, 2016 02:58:05   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
skylane5sp wrote:
Always trying to change the subject, aren't you TommyTroll?


Always answering the question you want to and not the question asked aren't you.

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Feb 13, 2016 06:34:49   #
Keenan Loc: Central Coast California
 
Opus wrote:
There are a few simple steps one can take to ensure that there is a 99.99% chance that you will not be killed by a police officer.

1.) Don't commit a crime.


Committing a crime has never been regarded as a justification for being killed by a police officer in any jurisdiction whatsoever. It violates several of the Bill of Rights in the Constitution including due process, right to trial by peers, right to be considered innocent till proven guilty, etc. Extrajudicial punishment by a police officer, let alone killing, is NOT acceptable in any Constitutional form of government in the world. Only in a dictatorship can the mere (alleged) act of committing a crime be considered a justifiable reason for a police officer to kill you or extract physical punishment.

Opus wrote:

2.) Follow the instructions given to you by any police officer.

It's always advisable to follow instructions given to you by any police officer (even if they are violating your constitutional rights), however not following instructions should never put you at risk of being killed unless the police have reason to believe you could be armed or posing a threat to them or another person in some way.

Opus wrote:

3.) Don't point a gun, knife or anything that could be construed as a weapon at a police officer (or anybody else for that matter).

Obviously true. Anyone doing such is committing 'suicide by cop'.

Opus wrote:

4.) Don't resist arrest.

It is always advisable to never resist arrest, even if the arrest is a violation of your rights. However, merely resisting arrest should not put you in danger of being killed unless the police officer has reason to believe you could be armed or threatening the officer. Otherwise, there are other ways an officer can force compliance by someone resisting arrest besides killing or severely harming you.

Opus wrote:

5.) Don't punch, kick, spit on or assault a police officer in any manner.

Obviously true that doing so can put you at risk of being killed or severely hurt.

Opus wrote:

6.) Don't run from a police officer.

A good idea, however, running from a police officer is NEVER a justifiable reason by itself to be killed.

Opus wrote:

7.) Don't threaten a police officer.

Obviously.

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Feb 13, 2016 06:48:22   #
Keenan Loc: Central Coast California
 
Twardlow wrote:
You belief that he was reaching for a gun also has nothing to do with it.


:shock: :shock: :shock:

You can't be serious.

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Feb 13, 2016 09:50:35   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
soba1 wrote:
Is it quite possible that a lot of the fathers are in prison.....
Think about it.


While I am sure thats true in some instances, but it's also true that the vast majority of black in prison is because of the lack of fathers in the family.

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Feb 13, 2016 10:12:09   #
NeilL Loc: British-born Canadian
 
[ Quote Keenan, or green, or thom w whatever.]Committing a crime has never been regarded as a justification for being killed by a police officer in any jurisdiction whatsoever. It violates several of the Bill of Rights in the Constitution including due process, right to trial by peers, right to be considered innocent till proven guilty, etc. Extrajudicial punishment by a police officer, let alone killing, is NOT acceptable in any Constitutional form of government in the world. Only in a dictatorship can the mere (alleged) act of committing a crime be considered a justifiable reason for a police officer to kill you or extract physical punishment.[quote]
If that crime was pointing a gun at your ugly head and threatening to blow it off your shoulders, then what??

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Feb 13, 2016 11:18:15   #
travelwp Loc: New Jersey
 
soba1 wrote:
Is it quite possible that a lot of the fathers are in prison..... Think about it.


I believe they become fathers first, then no marriage, then prison.

When a man can’t provide food for his family, or shelter for his family or clothing for his family because he has no job and Big Government provides those things, that man has no self-esteem. So what does that man do to prove he is a man, he makes a baby. Democrats have a program of dependency in the black community that all but prevents a black man from becoming a productive citizen.

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Feb 13, 2016 11:23:55   #
Sanford504
 
SBW wrote:
This so called Black Lives Matter group needs to be shown for what they really are, just another racist hate group. The only thing I could add to this article is to ask the question when are black folks in America going to wake up? They keep listening to the lies and broken promises of democrats. They have been voting almost in lock step for democrats for decades but the plight of the black person in America just keeps getting more dire.

This article does a pretty good job of showing just what frauds BLM and democrats are. It is not even arguable.

From the Wall Street Journal

The Myths of Black Lives Matter
The movement has won over Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. But what if its claims are fiction?

By HEATHER MAC DONALD
Feb. 11, 2016 7:08 p.m. ET

A television ad for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign now airing in South Carolina shows the candidate declaring that “too many encounters with law enforcement end tragically.” She later adds: “We have to face up to the hard truth of injustice and systemic racism.”

Her Democratic presidential rival, Bernie Sanders, met with the Rev. Al Sharpton on Wednesday. Mr. Sanders then tweeted that “As President, let me be very clear that no one will fight harder to end racism and reform our broken criminal justice system than I will.” And he appeared on the TV talk show “The View” saying, “It is not acceptable to see unarmed people being shot by police officers.”

Apparently the Black Lives Matter movement has convinced Democrats and progressives that there is an epidemic of racist white police officers killing young black men. Such rhetoric is going to heat up as Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Sanders court minority voters before the Feb. 27 South Carolina primary.

But what if the Black Lives Matter movement is based on fiction? Not just the fictional account of the 2014 police shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., but the utter misrepresentation of police shootings generally.

To judge from Black Lives Matter protesters and their media and political allies, you would think that killer cops pose the biggest threat to young black men today. But this perception, like almost everything else that many people think they know about fatal police shootings, is wrong.

The Washington Post has been gathering data on fatal police shootings over the past year and a half to correct acknowledged deficiencies in federal tallies. The emerging data should open many eyes.

For starters, fatal police shootings make up a much larger proportion of white and Hispanic homicide deaths than black homicide deaths. According to the Post database, in 2015 officers killed 662 whites and Hispanics, and 258 blacks. (The overwhelming majority of all those police-shooting victims were attacking the officer, often with a gun.) Using the 2014 homicide numbers as an approximation of 2015’s, those 662 white and Hispanic victims of police shootings would make up 12% of all white and Hispanic homicide deaths. That is three times the proportion of black deaths that result from police shootings.

The lower proportion of black deaths due to police shootings can be attributed to the lamentable black-on-black homicide rate. There were 6,095 black homicide deaths in 2014—the most recent year for which such data are available—compared with 5,397 homicide deaths for whites and Hispanics combined. Almost all of those black homicide victims had black killers.

Police officers—of all races—are also disproportionately endangered by black assailants. Over the past decade, according to FBI data, 40% of cop killers have been black. Officers are killed by blacks at a rate 2.5 times higher than the rate at which blacks are killed by police.

Some may find evidence of police bias in the fact that blacks make up 26% of the police-shooting victims, compared with their 13% representation in the national population. But as residents of poor black neighborhoods know too well, violent crimes are disproportionately committed by blacks. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, blacks were charged with 62% of all robberies, 57% of murders and 45% of assaults in the 75 largest U.S. counties in 2009, though they made up roughly 15% of the population there.

Such a concentration of criminal violence in minority communities means that officers will be disproportionately confronting armed and often resisting suspects in those communities, raising officers’ own risk of using lethal force.

The Black Lives Matter movement claims that white officers are especially prone to shooting innocent blacks due to racial bias, but this too is a myth. A March 2015 Justice Department report on the Philadelphia Police Department found that black and Hispanic officers were much more likely than white officers to shoot blacks based on “threat misperception”—that is, the mistaken belief that a civilian is armed.

A 2015 study by University of Pennsylvania criminologist Greg Ridgeway, formerly acting director of the National Institute of Justice, found that, at a crime scene where gunfire is involved, black officers in the New York City Police Department were 3.3 times more likely to discharge their weapons than other officers at the scene.

The Black Lives Matter movement has been stunningly successful in changing the subject from the realities of violent crime. The world knows the name of Michael Brown but not Tyshawn Lee, a 9-year-old black child lured into an alley and killed by gang members in Chicago last fall. Tyshawn was one of dozens of black children gunned down in America last year. The Baltimore Sun reported on Jan. 1: “Blood was shed in Baltimore at an unprecedented pace in 2015, with mostly young, black men shot to death in a near-daily crush of violence.”

Those were black lives that mattered, and it is a scandal that outrage is heaped less on the dysfunctional culture that produces so many victims than on the police officers who try to protect them.

Ms. Mac Donald is the Thomas W. Smith fellow at the Manhattan Institute and author of “The War on Cops,” forthcoming in July from Encounter Books.
This so called Black Lives Matter group needs to b... (show quote)


As a former police officer who happens to be black, I couldn't agree more with this article!!! It angers me to no end that far too many in the black community have bought into the racist BS that the likes of Rev. AL (Charlatan) Sharpton, and Rev Jessie Jackson continue to promote as a way to continue making themselves rich!!!! As a police officer, I had the great priviledge of being assigned as a temporary body-guard to Martin Luther King when he came to Philadelphia. Although being far from perfect, his dream for the United States has, for the most part come true. We have come a long long way since the days of "Jim Crow" and blatant racisim that existed during the Pre-Civil Rights"
era! Yet, because of self-serving so-called "black leaders, we are going backwards. I really don't understand why the many black athletes, and entertainers, who have become extremely wealthy over the last 40 years, don't stand up and protest this continuing promotion of racisim!!
Granted, it is not a perfect society, but, damn it, the black community needs to examine themselves and take responsibility for their "OWN" failures and stop blaming it on this Buggy Man - RACISM!!!!!!!!!

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Feb 13, 2016 11:26:10   #
SBW
 
travelwp wrote:
I believe they become fathers first, then no marriage, then prison.

When a man can’t provide food for his family, or shelter for his family or clothing for his family because he has no job and Big Government provides those things, that man has no self-esteem. So what does that man do to prove he is a man, he makes a baby. Democrats have a program of dependency in the black community that all but prevents a black man from becoming a productive citizen.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

If you need a different take or even more evidence that the Federal Government can destroy a people and a culture just drive through some of the Indian reservations. Especially those west of the Mississippi. No clearer proof than that.

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Feb 13, 2016 11:36:35   #
NeilL Loc: British-born Canadian
 
Sanford504 wrote:
As a former police officer who happens to be black, I couldn't agree more with this article!!! It angers me to no end that far too many in the black community have bought into the racist BS that the likes of Rev. AL (Charlatan) Sharpton, and Rev Jessie Jackson continue to promote as a way to continue making themselves rich!!!! As a police officer, I had the great priviledge of being assigned as a temporary body-guard to Martin Luther King when he came to Philadelphia. Although being far from perfect, his dream for the United States has, for the most part come true. We have come a long long way since the days of "Jim Crow" and blatant racisim that existed during the Pre-Civil Rights"
era! Yet, because of self-serving so-called "black leaders, we are going backwards. I really don't understand why the many black athletes, and entertainers, who have become extremely wealthy over the last 40 years, don't stand up and protest this continuing promotion of racisim!!
Granted, it is not a perfect society, but, damn it, the black community needs to examine themselves and take responsibility for their "OWN" failures and stop blaming it on this Buggy Man - RACISM!!!!!!!!!
As a former police officer who happens to be black... (show quote)


Thanks for putting your life on the line for our protection. Instead of these slimy politicians who are going to do their damnedest to put any cop in prison, who looks at a black the wrong way, they should be watching every cop's back to make sure they go safely home at shift's end. This is proof that the likes of Hillary Rotten Clinton are self-aggrandizing in order to garner the black vote. It is a fraudulent practice - something we can expect very frequently from Hillary Rotten Clinton.

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Feb 13, 2016 11:38:50   #
SBW
 
Sanford504 wrote:
As a former police officer who happens to be black, I couldn't agree more with this article!!! It angers me to no end that far too many in the black community have bought into the racist BS that the likes of Rev. AL (Charlatan) Sharpton, and Rev Jessie Jackson continue to promote as a way to continue making themselves rich!!!! As a police officer, I had the great priviledge of being assigned as a temporary body-guard to Martin Luther King when he came to Philadelphia. Although being far from perfect, his dream for the United States has, for the most part come true. We have come a long long way since the days of "Jim Crow" and blatant racisim that existed during the Pre-Civil Rights"
era! Yet, because of self-serving so-called "black leaders, we are going backwards. I really don't understand why the many black athletes, and entertainers, who have become extremely wealthy over the last 40 years, don't stand up and protest this continuing promotion of racisim!!
Granted, it is not a perfect society, but, damn it, the black community needs to examine themselves and take responsibility for their "OWN" failures and stop blaming it on this Buggy Man - RACISM!!!!!!!!!
As a former police officer who happens to be black... (show quote)


Well put sir. And thank you very much for your service.

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