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Feb 11, 2016 12:08:33   #
DianeL Loc: Charlotte, NC
 
Thank you very much for this info.

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Feb 11, 2016 12:17:13   #
ricardo7 Loc: Washington, DC - Santiago, Chile
 
UXOEOD wrote:
I now have 3 walls displaying my 13×19. Dry mounted onto foam core boards, who can afford frames? Problem 8s, wife won't allow me to swap them out, so I am now printing, mounting, collecting, and conspiring my work for wall number 4. The joys of living in a large 105 year old house with lots of wall space.


Have a look at IKEA frames. I've been buying their 19 x 19 inch frames that come with glass and archival mat for around $20. Great price.

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Feb 11, 2016 12:18:55   #
ricardo7 Loc: Washington, DC - Santiago, Chile
 
StevenG wrote:
I have read several posts which ask which photo labs are best. I know that photo labs often do a very good job, and are generally modestly priced. And, I generally bring my own work to Costco when I need a bunch of 4x6s.

That being said, during the last year and a half, I have discovered the joy of doing my own printing. I purchased an Epson 3880, and I have tried out a number of their papers. I love their fine art papers, such as Hot Press Bright and Hot Press Natural. I love editing my photos, and then seeing them come to life, in print, just as I imagined them. If there are any aspects of the print with which I am not satisfied, I can make corrections. Holding the final version in my hands, on a good quality fine art paper gives me a feeling of satisfaction I cannot get from a lab. I know this can be a little pricey, and it is not for everyone. I am just wondering if anyone feels the same way. (Yes, I know I could have posted this in the printing section, but it would not get as much exposure.)
I have read several posts which ask which photo la... (show quote)


The 3880 is a great printer. I use it with Red River Aurora Art Natural paper. Nice results.

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Feb 11, 2016 12:41:06   #
Basil Loc: New Mexico
 
Thanks for that info Bill. Most interesting and helpful.

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Feb 11, 2016 13:31:44   #
Madman Loc: Gulf Coast, Florida USA
 
I agree 100%. Photography to me is about looking at prints - not a computer screen. And I do enjoy watching that sheet of paper emerging from the printer.

Cost to me is not a concern - I am pretty sure that my cost to do it myself is less than what I would pay anybody else; furthermore, I have total control.

I have an Epson Photo Stylus 1400 that I bought refurbished from the manufacturer some years ago, I buy their paper when they have 40% off promotions and I have refillable cartridges and bottles of ink from a great supplier.

Guess I'm just old fashioned.

I hang pictures and change them from time to time.

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Feb 11, 2016 13:37:41   #
UXOEOD
 
burkphoto wrote:
International Color Consortium is a standards body. They set the standards for photographic color reproduction.

An ICC color-managed workflow starts with a profile for an image, typically sRGB, sometimes Adobe RGB, or something else. Either the camera or post-production software converts the raw color information to color that "fits within" the specific STANDARD profile "space" of an output file.

Then post-production software opens that image into a "connection space" or "working profile space", that can be much larger. Lightroom uses ProPhoto RGB, an impossible-to-display HUGE color space, so:

For viewing, the image colors must be converted to a monitor profile space, which is best custom made from a freshly calibrated monitor on a frequent and regular basis.

Finally, image adjustments can be made with reference to a standard. IF:

• The camera white balance was accurate for the light falling on the subject, and IF

• The camera was calibrated correctly at the factory, and retains that calibration, and IF

• The image is interpreted with the correct profile, and IF

• The monitor is calibrated and profiled accurately, THEN

• The image on the monitor is a reasonably accurate representation of what is in the file. You can use post-processing to adjust the color to look technically accurate, or to look the way YOU want it to look. And IF

• You installed a custom printer profile for the EXACT model of printer, brand of inks, and paper surface being printed, then your output should MATCH your monitor quite closely. It will never be precisely the same, since the monitor makes color by adding red, green, and blue light together to make white, and the printer uses (often multiple versions!) of yellow, magenta, cyan, and black to subtract color from white paper... But it is close enough for most applications.

Bear in mind that this is a vast oversimplification, and I've glossed over a lot of finer points. But that's the gist of it. Google ICC Color Management, or visit ColorVision Systems DataColor, or X-RITE, for more information.

Oh, and YES, virtually ALL modern printers and printing processes use profiles for the specific papers they print. In the lab I worked for, we had 40 Noritsu mini-labs running Kodak Endura Supra paper; several Epson 9600 and 9880 printers running Epson's photo paper and canvas; 20 Fargo and Pebble dye sublimation ID Card printers printing on plastic, two Konica Minolta electrostatic printer/copiers driven by EFI Fiery raster image processors, printing on one brand of copier paper; a Kodak NexPress electrostatic printer running multiple types of papers... ALL devices used ICC color management profiles.

You might not see them, but when you drop down the "paper type" menu in your print driver software, you're choosing a profile!
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I am contemplating a drinking game. Reading your explanation, and drinking a shot of bourbon every time I read the word "IF".

Honestly, well stated, you took a rather difficult subject and summarized it well. IF I read it correctly anyway.

Thank you!

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Feb 11, 2016 13:40:20   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
UXOEOD wrote:
I am contemplating a drinking game. Reading your explanation, and drinking a shot of bourbon every time I read the word "IF".

Honestly, well stated, you took a rather difficult subject and summarized it well. IF I read it correctly anyway.

Thank you!


You're welcome. Yeah, there are a LOT of ifs in the equation. It has to be done methodically if you want predictable results. But once you get the hang of it, it produces really nice — and predictable — results.

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Feb 11, 2016 15:00:52   #
RON 11 Loc: Pittsburgh
 
I have to print my own work using my CanonPro 9500 Mark II. I am too,too much of a control freak to do otherwise. Will certainly be happier when they come out with refillable ink wells in a professional photo printer. That should save enormous amount of money.

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Feb 11, 2016 15:03:30   #
thephotoman Loc: Rochester, NY
 
StevenG wrote:
I have read several posts which ask which photo labs are best. I know that photo labs often do a very good job, and are generally modestly priced. And, I generally bring my own work to Costco when I need a bunch of 4x6s.

That being said, during the last year and a half, I have discovered the joy of doing my own printing. I purchased an Epson 3880, and I have tried out a number of their papers. I love their fine art papers, such as Hot Press Bright and Hot Press Natural. I love editing my photos, and then seeing them come to life, in print, just as I imagined them. If there are any aspects of the print with which I am not satisfied, I can make corrections. Holding the final version in my hands, on a good quality fine art paper gives me a feeling of satisfaction I cannot get from a lab. I know this can be a little pricey, and it is not for everyone. I am just wondering if anyone feels the same way. (Yes, I know I could have posted this in the printing section, but it would not get as much exposure.)
I have read several posts which ask which photo la... (show quote)

There has always been the cost factor for many people. Is it cheaper to print at home vs having a lab do it. I feel the more accurate question should be which gives me more satisfaction. Steve, I think you state it right, you get so much satisfaction from holding the final print after making the adjustments to get your final print. It is the same satisfaction everyone gets when they make something themselves.
A lab will print in a standard way and your vision may or may not be there. The ability to finally print is what has inspired me in the digital age. Film was frustrating because my lab prints were never the way I wanted them.

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Feb 11, 2016 15:21:56   #
bdk Loc: Sanibel Fl.
 
I print most of my own work. Occasionally I will send something out ( usually when I want it bigger than my printer can handle) I love seeing it come out of the printer.
Knowing that I took that pic. it is kind of a fulfilling experience.

the old house we had an exercise room. I had all he walls covered with my pics.

the new MUCH smaller home, I have a few in the dining room and thats it. So every week or so I take down a pic and put up something new. My wife NEVER notices when I change the pics. I took a pic of the toilet. printed it out and put it on the wall.
we had a friend visiting and she pointed it out to my wife... it had been up there for weeks. wife was NOT happy. Now all pics have to be ok'ed before they go up....

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Feb 11, 2016 17:02:50   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Does anyone know a reputable source for qualify aftermarket ink cartridges for the Canon Pixma Pro 10? The OEM Canon cartridges are just way too expensive. Also, does anyone know if there are quality refillable cartridges available for this printer? I have tried a couple different makes and it’s like gambling, sometimes they work, sometimes they don’t. Also, also, does anyone know if the OEM cartridges can be refilled and if so, how?

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Feb 11, 2016 17:22:22   #
Madman Loc: Gulf Coast, Florida USA
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
Does anyone know a reputable source for qualify aftermarket ink cartridges for the Canon Pixma Pro 10? The OEM Canon cartridges are just way too expensive. Also, does anyone know if there are quality refillable cartridges available for this printer? I have tried a couple different makes and it’s like gambling, sometimes they work, sometimes they don’t. Also, also, does anyone know if the OEM cartridges can be refilled and if so, how?


I wish that I could help you, but I really cannot My source only supplies ink and cartridges for Epson printers. I just verified that via telephone.

I can only help by saying that if you had an Epson, you'd be able to save a bunch of money and still get outstanding prints.

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Feb 11, 2016 17:35:43   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
Does anyone know a reputable source for qualify aftermarket ink cartridges for the Canon Pixma Pro 10? The OEM Canon cartridges are just way too expensive. Also, does anyone know if there are quality refillable cartridges available for this printer? I have tried a couple different makes and it’s like gambling, sometimes they work, sometimes they don’t. Also, also, does anyone know if the OEM cartridges can be refilled and if so, how?


Can you be sure the third party ink won't damage your printer, and that it will yield the same color balance and print longevity as Canon inks?

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Feb 11, 2016 17:49:57   #
Madman Loc: Gulf Coast, Florida USA
 
burkphoto wrote:
Can you be sure the third party ink won't damage your printer, and that it will yield the same color balance and print longevity as Canon inks?


Can you be sure that they will?

Not to be argumentative, but I don't think that you have any personal experience here (I don't recall your ever mentioning any.)

I have used third party inks for years and if I had problems, I would be the first to relay the issues that I had. I have not had issues, so I will continue to recommend them.

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Feb 11, 2016 18:19:27   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Madman wrote:
Can you be sure that they will?

Not to be argumentative, but I don't think that you have any personal experience here (I don't recall your ever mentioning any.)

I have used third party inks for years and if I had problems, I would be the first to relay the issues that I had. I have not had issues, so I will continue to recommend them.


I was the digital products manager for a major portrait lab for five years, and worked there in eight other roles for 33 years. I'm a former member of DIMA, PMAI, PPA, and PMI. We had scores of printing devices, including several Epson 9600 and 9880 printers that ran 24/7 when we were in rush seasons.

Our Epson inks and papers came from Fuji Hunt, a chemical house that sold several brands of supplies at the time. They had so many complaints about third party inks clogging print heads — on several brands of printers — that they actually quit carrying them.

I have several friends in the business who have never had problems with certain brands of inks, and others who have used the same inks in the same printers with no success, or limited success.

Those same friends all said they had to re-profile some or most of their papers, because the third party inks were off-color in weird ways if they used the OEM profiles. (OEM profiles are based on OEM inks, and so are the profiles you can download for third party papers.

We decided when we put in the printers that inkjet prints were special. We only made them for prints wider and longer than 12" x 22", and we charged premium prices to offset the costs of production (Epson ink and paper, extra skilled labor, etc.).

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