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Jan 27, 2016 16:50:23   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
SharpShooter wrote:
LoL, Burk, the Feds already knock on my door. Every April 15th, they knock and tell me to give them money..., or ELSE!!!! I don't even know what "else" is, so I just hand it over!!!! :lol:
SS

What? Giving in to thugs in suite???

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Jan 27, 2016 17:32:39   #
Lundberg02
 
your red green and blue don't look primary to me

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Jan 27, 2016 17:54:18   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Lundberg02 wrote:
your red green and blue don't look primary to me


My colors are NOT primary. But does it even matter if they are primary?
The idea is to create a std. It could really be ANY colors to see that they are being reproduced the same, that's all.
I just thought RGB since that's what our sensors read.
But the main goal was to see detail that's very defined and in a known capacity that we all know, and inexpensive, hence the $1 bills! ;-)
SS

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Jan 27, 2016 18:20:37   #
the f/stops here Loc: New Mexico
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Hogs, yes I've done it..., I've finally done something useful with myself and it had nothing to do with Brands OR Curmudgeons!!!
I have designed a Test Target that will allow us to compare both lenses and cameras with visual accuracy and no test numbers.
It's easy and cheap to build. The materials are as follows:
The paint chips are from Home Depot so that we all have access to the same exact chips. The paint line is Behr, Premium Plus Ultra. I used this one since it was the only one with a PURE white chip. The $1 bills are standard the world over. Use a new crisp one. Total materials cost for me was $2.
I've included a row of feathers along the top since resolving feather detail is important to many shooters.
Any material can be used for the backer. My Backer is cut into a 3:2 aspect ratio so that fits the format of most cameras.
I used a spray foto adhesive but I'm sure a glue stick will be fine.

Let me know what you think??
If we shoot a test from say 10 feet from a chain link fence we can also test the DoF/Bokeh of a lens since chain link is fairly std. as well.
Shooting a test from about minimum focus distance will maximize DoF and keep resolving power pretty much at it's max.

I have used the three primary colors and white. That way we can see if the colors match our samples if we all use the same samples. You can get the color name and number right off of my chip. And the $1 bills have a ton of fine etching and a std. color and are also mostly identical. The feathers give is an idea how well a lens works for detail on birds and can be shot at bird shooting distances.

If you have any questions on building one just let me know.

If it matters to anybody, this was posted SOOC.

Thanks ;-)
SS
Hogs, yes I've done it..., I've finally done somet... (show quote)


I'm impressed ... but don't you think our cameras and lenses are worth more that a buck? :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Thanks, J. Goffe

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Jan 27, 2016 19:20:47   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Yes, well, in real world few, very few, I should say have access to optical instruments that allow a rigorous testing. In real world situation, anything will do, including some of the gizmos you mention (I even use my hand at times).

The target here? Imagination, thinking outside the box and a source of ideas for many, including the feathers as this is usually a source of moire in lesser cameras. The currency also is a good target due to the minuscule imprints in there (many lines are made of small letters) so, real world, again.

Show me anything that is 'weird', 'strange', bizarre' and I pay attention as often there is something in there that pushes additional thoughts, concepts and observation, something I thrive on.
Yes, well, in real world few, very few, I should s... (show quote)


:thumbup:

Feathers and engraved money are a staple of such tests. Testers usually use bills from obscure countries to avoid litigation... See this example from dpreview.com:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=daylight&attr13_0=sony_a7rii&attr13_1=sony_a7r&attr13_2=canon_eos5dsr&attr13_3=nikon_d810&attr15_0=jpeg&attr15_1=jpeg&attr15_2=jpeg&attr15_3=jpeg&attr16_0=100&attr16_1=100&attr16_2=100&attr16_3=100&attr171_0=off&attr171_1=off&normalization=full&widget=267&x=0.9429347826086956&y=-1.1002702702702702

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Jan 27, 2016 19:33:14   #
WALL
 
There was a time when Photographing US money could land you in a lot of trouble. If you watch old movies you will notice the money always looks wrong.

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Jan 27, 2016 20:59:49   #
PhotoMan1929 Loc: Virginia, USA
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Hogs, yes I've done it..., I've finally done something useful with myself and it had nothing to do with Brands OR Curmudgeons!!!
I have designed a Test Target that will allow us to compare both lenses and cameras with visual accuracy and no test numbers.


Thanks ;-)
SS


OK, so what is wrong with the old United States Air Force 1951 test target that has been in use for a long time? It gives much more definitive information about lens performance than a bunch of feathers, in both middle, corners, and diagonals of the lens image.

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Jan 27, 2016 21:25:35   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
I used acrylic pigments to make color test patches on Kodak 90% and 18% reflectance cards. I couldn't get the iPad to recognise the Epson scans, so had to do photos with a Sony a6000. See below.If interested I'll try putting the scans up from a computer.

90% Background
90% Background...
(Download)

18% Background
18% Background...
(Download)

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Jan 27, 2016 21:44:28   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
John_F wrote:
I used acrylic pigments to make color test patches on Kodak 90% and 18% reflectance cards. I couldn't get the iPad to recognize the Epson scans, so had to do photos with a Sony a6000. See below.If interested I'll try putting the scans up from a computer.

Slight problem: The lighting is uneven.

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Jan 27, 2016 22:13:19   #
Morrisdh Loc: Pisgah Alabama
 
SharpShooter wrote:
My colors are NOT primary. But does it even matter if they are primary?
The idea is to create a std. It could really be ANY colors to see that they are being reproduced the same, that's all.
I just thought RGB since that's what our sensors read.
But the main goal was to see detail that's very defined and in a known capacity that we all know, and inexpensive, hence the $1 bills! ;-)
SS


Now you really get to see what happens when you try to help someone on this forum. The folks that could really use the help don't get a chance due to the nay sayers. I think they need to do their on modifications and let you put yours out the way you want to. A polite suggestion is one thing but these folks won't let up. Just my humble two cents worth and I know first hand how it was when I tried to share my Sure Shot Lens Support. I didn't see anywhere that you said You Have To Buy one or You
Have To Have this. Thanks for trying. Dennis

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Jan 27, 2016 22:38:09   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Morrisdh wrote:
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Hey! I am supporting him even I am not sure I like the guy!
:shock: :mrgreen: :XD: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Then again maybe a sure thing to divert a thread and fill it with trolls and nay-sayers is to have me in it, supporting it! :oops: :-o :twisted: :hunf: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Maybe I am not supporting him at all and am a plant!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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Jan 27, 2016 23:20:06   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Paint? Really? Do you know its spectral response characteristics? Is there any metamerism? (Yeah, please look that up.)

There is a great reason you include KNOWN standard test targets (Kodak or Tiffen Q13/14, X-RITE Color Checker, USAF 1951, along with as many other STANDARD targets and some real-life samples of detailed, difficult to reproduce items as you can find.

It's called scientific method, or "repeatability".

Please don't reinvent the wheel. It's a waste of time and a HUGE distraction.

I DO NOT mean to be rude, but there's only so far you can take the home brew solutions before you are seriously lost in the weeds. Been there, done that, bought the sweatshirt.

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Jan 27, 2016 23:49:28   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Slight problem: The lighting is uneven.


These two crappy pics are just illustrations of what they are like. If anyone wants a better copy mention it and I'll try to better copies up.

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Jan 28, 2016 00:35:24   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Hey! I am supporting him even I am not sure I like the guy!
And I am a plant!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


I'm sure much MORE vegetable than plant!!!
And probably a toxic one at that! :lol: :lol:
SS

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Jan 28, 2016 00:52:47   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Julian wrote:
Your effort to create a test chart for lens comparison is appreciated; however, I would like to point out that what you referred to as 'primary colors' is incorrect and so is your reference to to the pure white chip. I have taken the liberty of superimposing the true primary colors and pure white on your target for comparison.

The real value of your test chart however is that the Behr chips are available almost anywhere, which will allow the construction of a very inexpensive tool for lens comparisons among UHH members and others. I will also like to point out that there are certain rules that apply to the photographing and duplicating currency.


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Your effort to create a test chart for lens compar... (show quote)


Julian, I think we should nominate YOU to print out the primary colors, then haul yourself down to Home Depot(HD) in that Red Ferrari of yours and go through the color chips and find the ones that MOST closely resemble the correct colors. Then Tell US which paint line they are and the chip numbers. Then we can all go to OUR local HD and source out those colors.
Then we will all be on the same page with the colors.
Again, the colors for me were purely secondary, as colors can be adjusted to our liking in PP but sharpness cannot!
Julian, what'a you say?!
SS

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