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May 2, 2012 21:33:29   #
stevenkl Loc: Swainsboro,GA
 
Yep, i got Diabete type 2 and it has adversley affected my vision. Therefore, SSI and hope for the Doctors to keep my seeing at all for the durataion.

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May 2, 2012 21:39:07   #
Mudshark Loc: Illinois
 
stevenkl wrote:
Yep, i got Diabete type 2 and it has adversley affected my vision. Therefore, SSI and hope for the Doctors to keep my seeing at all for the durataion.


Ask the VA for a sleep study...fixing sleep apnea can be a miracle...it caused my bleeding retnas to heal...

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May 2, 2012 21:43:07   #
stevenkl Loc: Swainsboro,GA
 
Roger that. Have a great night in the Big D!

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May 2, 2012 21:51:51   #
wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ
 
Mudshark wrote:
stevenkl wrote:
Oh yes indeed. Canon was one of my faves. Starting with an FTb, F-1, AE-1 (four of those?) A-! , EOS Elan,A2. But one I borrowed in high school was an Exakta VBIII. It did have a bayonet mount...so was faster than the perennial Pentax.One old Pentax was an LX. That was in the late 80's I think. Pro? It must be settled: What others have said, it could be the lens quality and the one using it. I went to school for four years and worked for the DOD at both the Presidio of Montery and Ft. Ord. They sent me out with : Graflex XL's and Speed Grafic and a Minolta SRT-101! In the studio : a Deardorf 8X10 view monster...and then handed me a 4X5 negative of some man alone and said print 500 8X10 glossies...by hand> Hmmm who's this guy?
Richard M. Nixon..two weeks later, he said "good-bye to our country. Something aout a "Water Gate".
Oh yes indeed. Canon was one of my faves. Starting... (show quote)


Sorry about your diabetes. I came down with it about 20 years ago...Got worse year after year...AND THEN...HEAR ME LOUDLY...I got the VA to pay for a sleep study. Turned out I had "terminal stage" apnea. I went to a bipap machine at it's highest pressure. It has changed my life...my retinas were leaking badly and it was just a matter of time till I couldn't work anymore...within months they totally healed up...no more leaking...my eye doctor was amazed...and so am I...make sure you don't have sleep apnea...it can often be the cause of the diabetes and if properly treated can be a miracle....Best of luck to you...
quote=stevenkl Oh yes indeed. Canon was one of my... (show quote)


WOW, You got lucky . My BP and Type 2 diabetes made my left retina leaky. I had Laser Surgery paid by Medicare, now my left eye is blind. But one right eye is all I need to peer through a viewfinder!

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May 2, 2012 22:27:22   #
twowindsbear
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
twowindsbear wrote:
How about we either add to the confusion, or maybe clear it up a bit.

Back in the 'good old days' - 1971 - when I bought my first SLR . . . I chose the less expensive Nikkormat FTn and a 50mm f2 lens. The other option was the Nikon F with the FTn finder/prism and a faster 50mm lens, either a 1.8, a 1.4, or a 1.2. I consider my combination definitely 'amateur' equipment.

I also have a Nikon FG, and a Nikon N 6006, which I also consider 'amateur' cameras - compared the the various Nikon F2, F3, F4, Fetc. film cameras.

Today - what DSLR cameras are considered the 'Pro' cameras and what are considered 'Amateur' cameras?

Thanks
How about we either add to the confusion, or maybe... (show quote)


Since you've owned Nikon in the past I assume you only want to know about Nikon? or would you like to know about the pro Canons as well?
quote=twowindsbear How about we either add to the... (show quote)



Sure - tell me about Canon cameras.

I seem to recall that the Canon F1 was a competitor for the Nikon F, 'way back when.'

Thanks to everyone for their replies, too.

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May 2, 2012 23:20:23   #
JC56 Loc: Lake St.Louis mo.
 
wilsondl2 wrote:
JC56 wrote:
A pro can take a great photo with a pinbox. Do you think Ansel Adams used a digital pro zx 32000 565 megadixal camera? BTW I'm a rank amenteur..but I can tell a pro photo when I see one.


Ansel Adams used view cameras and lenses that were top of the line. If he were doing the same type of work today he probably use the same type cameras. ILt is true he could take a good picture with a box camera. In one of his books he has a photo he took with a pin hole and it was good but by no means great. - Any of todays dslrs can be used to make pro images. The lens is more important than the box. Point and shoot are the amature cameras of today and many of them can make fine images. - Dave
quote=JC56 A pro can take a great photo with a pi... (show quote)


Thanks for the obvious.

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May 2, 2012 23:23:33   #
JC56 Loc: Lake St.Louis mo.
 
MT Shooter wrote:
St3v3M wrote:
Single digit = Pro
Double digit = Prosumer
Triple digit = Consumer

Personally though - the photographer makes the photo not the camera


I don't care who ya are, thats funny right there!


I get it!

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May 3, 2012 00:04:35   #
RMM Loc: Suburban New York
 
PhotoArtsLA wrote:
Some people are born to shoot. Some can learn to shoot but never achieve the image quality of born shooters. Still others just have fun with their cameras. All of these shooters are correct!

Bless you!

I've read so many posts suggesting that the great photographers all died 50-100 years ago, or that photography is dead, long live post-processing, or that a "good" photographer can take great photos with anything that has a lens.

Anyone is capable of taking a great photograph, more or less regardless of what camera he or she is using. It's a mixture of skill, experience, equipment and - oh, yes - luck. The pros and the talented photographers can produce excellent results on a consistent basis, and with a minimum reliance on luck. That doesn't mean that everyone else should sell their equipment and go back to watching bad reality TV. Photography is a profession, it is art, it is a hobby in every possible combination of any and all of the above.

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May 3, 2012 00:15:25   #
JC56 Loc: Lake St.Louis mo.
 
RMM wrote:
PhotoArtsLA wrote:
Some people are born to shoot. Some can learn to shoot but never achieve the image quality of born shooters. Still others just have fun with their cameras. All of these shooters are correct!

Bless you!

I've read so many posts suggesting that the great photographers all died 50-100 years ago, or that photography is dead, long live post-processing, or that a "good" photographer can take great photos with anything that has a lens.

Anyone is capable of taking a great photograph, more or less regardless of what camera he or she is using. It's a mixture of skill, experience, equipment and - oh, yes - luck. The pros and the talented photographers can produce excellent results on a consistent basis, and with a minimum reliance on luck. That doesn't mean that everyone else should sell their equipment and go back to watching bad reality TV. Photography is a profession, it is art, it is a hobby in every possible combination of any and all of the above.
quote=PhotoArtsLA Some people are born to shoot. ... (show quote)


spot on!

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May 3, 2012 02:55:54   #
Photoguy66 Loc: New York City
 
RIGHT ON man! You either have it or you don't. I could take pictures with a cell phone camera that look better than a lot of these guys. OK. I get one.

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May 3, 2012 11:56:47   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Photoguy66 wrote:
RIGHT ON man! You either have it or you don't. I could take pictures with a cell phone camera that look better than a lot of these guys. OK. I get one.


But I don't advise showing up at a wedding or other photoshoot with a cell phone camera. Better take a coupla D4's and some Nikon lenses. You don't see the Yankees hitting with aluminum bats, do you?

BTW....I'd want a pro shooting my daughter's wedding. Not just anybody that owns a Nikon!!

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May 3, 2012 12:50:12   #
wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ
 
RMM wrote:
PhotoArtsLA wrote:
Some people are born to shoot. Some can learn to shoot but never achieve the image quality of born shooters. Still others just have fun with their cameras. All of these shooters are correct!

Bless you!

I've read so many posts suggesting that the great photographers all died 50-100 years ago, or that photography is dead, long live post-processing, or that a "good" photographer can take great photos with anything that has a lens.

Anyone is capable of taking a great photograph, more or less regardless of what camera he or she is using. It's a mixture of skill, experience, equipment and - oh, yes - luck. The pros and the talented photographers can produce excellent results on a consistent basis, and with a minimum reliance on luck. That doesn't mean that everyone else should sell their equipment and go back to watching bad reality TV. Photography is a profession, it is art, it is a hobby in every possible combination of any and all of the above.
quote=PhotoArtsLA Some people are born to shoot. ... (show quote)


Although there is a higher skill level in Pro there is luck too. When you do it full time and make thousand of photos your chances of good ones increase and so does your level of skill.

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May 3, 2012 12:54:11   #
wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ
 
Photoguy66 wrote:
RIGHT ON man! You either have it or you don't. I could take pictures with a cell phone camera that look better than a lot of these guys. OK. I get one.


However ONE rule would make those cell phone pix far better - move in closer... "Is that a picture of palm trees with a person standing in the picture?" It should be a picture of a person with palm trees as a background.

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May 3, 2012 13:00:36   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Maybe we should put cell phones in our spy satellites.

Or replace those $100,000 lenses used in NFL games with cell phones. After all, the camera personnel are pros!!

And think of all the money wasted on the Hubble. All they really needed was a cell phone, a hood, and solar panels. Can you hear me now?

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May 3, 2012 13:36:14   #
melphoto60
 
pro = full frame (fx) crop sensor = amature (dx=Nikon ef-s=canon) find any camera over $2,000 using FF and you have found a pro style camera.

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