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Jan 9, 2016 16:42:14   #
Jackdoor Loc: Huddersfield, Yorkshire.
 
soaro77 wrote:
I don't quite understand this. The D800 is a full frame sensor but the Sigma 12-24mm lens is an APS-C lens. Why put that lens on a full frame body?


It's DG -Sigma's shorthand for full frame. It's fine, though there's a hint of vignetting at the short end wide open.

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Jan 9, 2016 17:09:45   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
It is funny I loved my D7000. and loved the cult lens the 18 200. I ask my landscape friends if shooting with very wides is cool as a dynamic but distorts the natural beauty of a great real frame.
I don't know if an upgrade is right here but I am sure this gentlemen knows what he likes. Good luck.

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Jan 9, 2016 20:36:50   #
CO
 
Photographer Neil van Niekerk wrote an excellent article comparing the depth of field and perspective of full frame vs cropped sensor cameras. See the article here:

http://neilvn.com/tangents/full-frame-vs-crop-sensor-cameras-comparison-depth-of-field/

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Jan 9, 2016 22:52:04   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
robertjerl wrote:
Just get a full frame wide angle so it will work if you ever do go to a FF body. It will give the same angle of view on a crop frame body. It will be a bit more expensive than a crop lens. But you won't have to replace it if you do get a FF body.

It will not give you the same angle of view! It will still be the same focal length, but the angle of view will be different (by the crop factor)!

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Jan 10, 2016 11:10:15   #
Frank47 Loc: West coast Florida
 
soaro77 wrote:
I am an amateur photographer and currently have a Nikon D7200. I do primarily landscape, macro and wildlife photography. Currently I don't have a wide angle lens. I've been using the 18-200mm lens for anything I would normally use a wide angle for (at 18mm). I've heard full crop cameras are better for landscape so I've been considering buying an 810 with a wide angle lens for landscape photos. But now I see the D500 coming out that looks really nice so I'm wondering if I should just stick with the crop frame and upgrade to the D500 and just get a crop frame wide angle lens instead of the full frame 810. Which would be the better option?
I am an amateur photographer and currently have a ... (show quote)


I made the move a year ago to the FX D750 and the 24-120 f4 lens. Now I'm in the market for additional FX lenses . . . . . . a pricey proposition. So, perhaps consider staying in the DX D500 arena and purchase the Nikkor 10-24 f3.5 I used the 10-24 on my DX Nikon with excellent results. And, I still use it in crop mode on the D750. It is a very nice lens that gives you that range and you remain in the DX format. Your choice. You can't go wrong. Since my transition, I stopped thinking about the decision and just enjoy shooting like crazy!

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Jan 10, 2016 16:01:30   #
drizztguen77 Loc: Tualatin, OR
 
Frank47 wrote:
I made the move a year ago to the FX D750 and the 24-120 f4 lens. Now I'm in the market for additional FX lenses . . . . . . a pricey proposition. So, perhaps consider staying in the DX D500 arena and purchase the Nikkor 10-24 f3.5 I used the 10-24 on my DX Nikon with excellent results. And, I still use it in crop mode on the D750. It is a very nice lens that gives you that range and you remain in the DX format. Your choice. You can't go wrong. Since my transition, I stopped thinking about the decision and just enjoy shooting like crazy!
I made the move a year ago to the FX D750 and the ... (show quote)


I think that is part of my problem as well. I'm afraid if I never get a full frame body that I'll always wonder if I could do better with a full frame body. I don't want to make that decision after I've invested a ton of money in DX lenses. I would rather decide it now and invest in the lenses just once. I already have a FF telephoto and macro lens. So if I can get a FF wide angle and general shooting lens I would be covered and could use both the FX and DX bodies. It seems it would give me more options without buying a double set of lenses.

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Jan 10, 2016 16:40:59   #
moonhawk Loc: Land of Enchantment
 
Keep your 7200 for the long shots, buy the D810 or 750--I recommend the 810--, and get maybe the 16-35 or the 20 1.8, or even the 24-120 f/4.

You won't regret it

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Jan 10, 2016 17:11:31   #
drizztguen77 Loc: Tualatin, OR
 
moonhawk wrote:
Keep your 7200 for the long shots, buy the D810 or 750--I recommend the 810--, and get maybe the 16-35 or the 20 1.8, or even the 24-120 f/4.

You won't regret it


Why do you recommend the D810 over the D750? When comparing them this is what I've found:
- D750 has almost identical controls to my D7200 so no issues when switching between them.
- D750 is almost the same as the D810 in every aspect except MP (24 vs 36), shutter speed (1/4000 vs 1/8000) and the anti-alias filter. My D7200 can do 1/8000 shutter speed if I need that fast and do I really need 36 MP? Probably not.
- D750 has built-in WIFI, D810 doesn't. D750 has better auto focus. D750 is better on higher ISO's.
- D810 is sharper due to the lack of anti-alias filter but not significantly.
- D750 is $1000 cheaper.

So I'm having difficulty seeing why I would get the D810. I'm curious as to why you recommend it over the D750.

I'll definitely keep the D7200 as my second body.

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Jan 10, 2016 17:22:40   #
orrie smith Loc: Kansas
 
soaro77 wrote:
I think that is part of my problem as well. I'm afraid if I never get a full frame body that I'll always wonder if I could do better with a full frame body. I don't want to make that decision after I've invested a ton of money in DX lenses. I would rather decide it now and invest in the lenses just once. I already have a FF telephoto and macro lens. So if I can get a FF wide angle and general shooting lens I would be covered and could use both the FX and DX bodies. It seems it would give me more options without buying a double set of lenses.
I think that is part of my problem as well. I'm af... (show quote)


Ever consider renting a full frame camera and shooting some target photos with both cameras and comparing the two side by side. I have both full frame d750 and dx d7200 and rarely use the d7200 anymore. I do not dislike the quality of the d7200, i just prefer the d750, just personal preference.

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Jan 10, 2016 17:35:15   #
drizztguen77 Loc: Tualatin, OR
 
orrie smith wrote:
Ever consider renting a full frame camera and shooting some target photos with both cameras and comparing the two side by side. I have both full frame d750 and dx d7200 and rarely use the d7200 anymore. I do not dislike the quality of the d7200, i just prefer the d750, just personal preference.


I hadn't considered that. It's a good idea that I might look into doing. I'm not sure I would really see much difference until I do things like shoot higher ISO where the full frame is almost certainly going to excel.

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Jan 10, 2016 17:39:11   #
orrie smith Loc: Kansas
 
soaro77 wrote:
I hadn't considered that. It's a good idea that I might look into doing. I'm not sure I would really see much difference until I do things like shoot higher ISO where the full frame is almost certainly going to excel.


a nice winter sunset might fill that need

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Jan 10, 2016 18:43:31   #
moonhawk Loc: Land of Enchantment
 
soaro77 wrote:
Why do you recommend the D810 over the D750? When comparing them this is what I've found:
- D750 has almost identical controls to my D7200 so no issues when switching between them.
- D750 is almost the same as the D810 in every aspect except MP (24 vs 36), shutter speed (1/4000 vs 1/8000) and the anti-alias filter. My D7200 can do 1/8000 shutter speed if I need that fast and do I really need 36 MP? Probably not.
- D750 has built-in WIFI, D810 doesn't. D750 has better auto focus. D750 is better on higher ISO's.
- D810 is sharper due to the lack of anti-alias filter but not significantly.
- D750 is $1000 cheaper.

So I'm having difficulty seeing why I would get the D810. I'm curious as to why you recommend it over the D750.

I'll definitely keep the D7200 as my second body.
Why do you recommend the D810 over the D750? When ... (show quote)


You already have a 24 MP camera--the 750 won't be that much of a step up. Those extra MP are great for landscapes, where you're more likely to want to print big. Going from 24 MP with the anti aliasing figure to 36 without is a big deal, especially, again, for landscapes.

If you want cheaper and same controls as the 7200, why not a D610? I just think, as you've said you don't want to regret your purchase, why not go all the way?

Of course I'm a bit biased, too, because I own the 810 and I'm constantly blown away by the images it produces. I also use a D7100, another great Nikon.

Another thought--if you might switch to a D500 in the future, it's controls are mostly the same as the D810. I've pre-ordered a D500 for myself, partly for that reason, but mainly for the autofocus improvements and low light capabilities.

At any right, I'm certainly not trying to tell you what to do, just putting in my two cents. I'm sure you'll come to a decision before too long, and love whatever camera you get. I wish you happy shooting, whatever you decide.

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Jan 10, 2016 19:08:17   #
drizztguen77 Loc: Tualatin, OR
 
moonhawk wrote:
You already have a 24 MP camera--the 750 won't be that much of a step up. Those extra MP are great for landscapes, where you're more likely to want to print big. Going from 24 MP with the anti aliasing figure to 36 without is a big deal, especially, again, for landscapes.

If you want cheaper and same controls as the 7200, why not a D610? I just think, as you've said you don't want to regret your purchase, why not go all the way?

Of course I'm a bit biased, too, because I own the 810 and I'm constantly blown away by the images it produces. I also use a D7100, another great Nikon.

Another thought--if you might switch to a D500 in the future, it's controls are mostly the same as the D810. I've pre-ordered a D500 for myself, partly for that reason, but mainly for the autofocus improvements and low light capabilities.

At any right, I'm certainly not trying to tell you what to do, just putting in my two cents. I'm sure you'll come to a decision before too long, and love whatever camera you get. I wish you happy shooting, whatever you decide.
You already have a 24 MP camera--the 750 won't be ... (show quote)


Thank you for the explanation. I was just wondering why the D810 over the D750 and your explanation does make a lot of sense. I do think there is a good possibility that next years bonus will go to replacing the D7200 with the D500 unless there is a lens or something I really need worse.

I guess if I look at it that way and consider that if I need WIFI that my D7200 can do that then maybe the D810 might work for me. Ugh so many tough decisions.

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