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Jan 9, 2016 10:37:25   #
jrh1354 Loc: Dayton, Ohio
 
BebuLamar wrote:
You can reduce the settings down to 5 just like in the good old film days and hire someone to do the Post Processing for you just like in the old days you hired someone to do the Processing for you as I do believe you didn't do your film processing. If you did your film processing you wouldn't think digital is daunting.


I had an outstanding lab a few miles away that gave me 1 hour turn-around. I then did my own printing in my darkroom - B&W, color, and Cibachrome. My prints won photo competitions but probably never approached "professional" quality.

There are other complicating factors involving family that I chose not to mention. Retired life has not turned out the way I had planned it.

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Jan 9, 2016 14:01:20   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
katkase wrote:
I find that photography finds the people, and talent, skill are things that you learn and talent is what you have or learning improves your photogrpahic skills. I got my first SLR in 1978. I was so glad that I loaded it up and I was going to take the world by storm. I was living with my grandparents at the time and my parents had just moved from the Philippines and were staying at a small apartment on the grounds. My mother was outside under an acacia tree in Tucson, Arizona. I thought wow! That looks so good, with the shadows on my mother that will take a great photo. I took a lot of photos of my mother drawing under the acacia tree and with the shadows and one photo of a rose. Well, I got the photos back and that great idea I will wow the photographic world will have to wait. The only acceptable photo was the rose. So much for taking the photographic world by storm. I have not stopped taking photos since 1978. I have taken bad photos, great photos, so so photos and the ranges in between, but I learn. Cell phones are now cameras that will be the only way many will take photographs and I have seen some spectacular cell phone photos. Are they not photographers? I think they are but we who are experienced have developed a sense of superiority. Every one come to photography with their own ideas what constitute a great photo. If they decide to really learn, time will grant them the skills they need to advance. My photo skills, interests have changed in the over 40 years I have been taking photographs and I laud the beginner for trying. the fact they tried I say "Good Job!"
I find that photography finds the people, and tale... (show quote)


Very well said. Best of luck with your photography!

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Jan 9, 2016 14:02:42   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
jrh1354 wrote:
I had an outstanding lab a few miles away that gave me 1 hour turn-around. I then did my own printing in my darkroom - B&W, color, and Cibachrome. My prints won photo competitions but probably never approached "professional" quality.

There are other complicating factors involving family that I chose not to mention. Retired life has not turned out the way I had planned it.


You are in good company. Retirement has not turned out the way I and many other people had planned it.

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Jan 9, 2016 17:28:25   #
rob s Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
Linda From Maine wrote:



A thoughtful essay, emmons, guaranteed to run off the rails into shouting within 3 pages :)

I wanted to address your priorities that stressed technical knowledge first and composition last. This might be doing a disservice to those who have an "eye" (or a background in other arts), but aren't so keen on technology.

I wouldn't want to discourage right-brain thinkers who look at an article on exposure triangle and see "blah, blah, blah." There is much beauty and artistry that can be achieved in automatic mode :)

For those non-technical folks who want to expand their art into photography (from say, painting or sculpting) or for those who think they will never be able to understand the exposure triangle, much less make it through their 250-page user guide, just pick up the camera and shoot!

I think learning the technical aspects slowly, as one goes along and expands their interests, is probably the "right" way (no pun intended :) ) for many new users.
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Your first sentence made me laugh out loud. :lol:

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Jan 9, 2016 17:46:03   #
katkase Loc: Grapeview, WA
 
rob s wrote:
Your first sentence made me laugh out loud. :lol:


I do agree, that learning the technical aspect of photography slowly is the best way to go. In 2005 I bought a used Olympus 3.2 MP digital camera for $75.00 Until that time I was using an SLR. I took thousands of photos, macros which I could not do before. That little camera had a sensor to die for and gave good photos; great composition, well that was my job. It lasted 5 years before it gave up the ghost. In those years, I learned the different functions of the camera and when it was time for a new one, I was an experienced user. I have since bought several bridge cameras with different features and I take the time to take good, soso and bad photos to test the waters and see what works. That is how we all learn. In modern society, patience is becoming less of a virtue.

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Jan 9, 2016 17:50:17   #
BebuLamar
 
I think differently! The technical aspects of photography are easy and can be learned quickly while the artistic aspects take much longer. Saying so I think the artistic side is more important.

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Jan 10, 2016 04:10:21   #
katkase Loc: Grapeview, WA
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I think differently! The technical aspects of photography are easy and can be learned quickly while the artistic aspects take much longer. Saying so I think the artistic side is more important.


Yes, but if one is not knowledgeable about the technology, how can some one be artistic. The tools of the trade let the artistic side come out. What good is a good composition if the photo is so over exposed that it is useless. I have to know what my camera does before I can create works of art. I have to know which features I will use the most so that I can quickly and confidently take that photo I hope will win awards. To say that technical aspects can be learned quickly, who is to say how fast one learns? We all learn in our own way and not on a set timetable. We are all unique and approach photography on our own terms as well. And how do we define artistic? Art is in the eye of the beholder, what is artistic to one may not be to another. We take the time to define our artistic side so to speak. It takes a beginner to get a feel for his/her style. That takes time. It is the journey to that art side of us that makes photography fun.

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Jan 10, 2016 09:11:48   #
brucewells Loc: Central Kentucky
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
For a beginner, digital photography is daunting.


:thumbup: Yes, it tends to be. For, with digital photography, one must also know how to use a personal computer. This is a completely different vein of technology than the camera, but just as important if you do digital photography.

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Jan 10, 2016 09:21:41   #
BebuLamar
 
You don't have to know how to use the computer. Take the pictures, pull out the memory card, give it to a photo shop, they would print them for you just like the old days. If that what you want.

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Jan 10, 2016 09:22:19   #
sr71 Loc: In Col. Juan Seguin Land
 
You are very wise my grasshopper! May your photographic adventures turn out well.




katkase wrote:
Yes, but if one is not knowledgeable about the technology, how can some one be artistic. The tools of the trade let the artistic side come out. What good is a good composition if the photo is so over exposed that it is useless. I have to know what my camera does before I can create works of art. I have to know which features I will use the most so that I can quickly and confidently take that photo I hope will win awards. To say that technical aspects can be learned quickly, who is to say how fast one learns? We all learn in our own way and not on a set timetable. We are all unique and approach photography on our own terms as well. And how do we define artistic? Art is in the eye of the beholder, what is artistic to one may not be to another. We take the time to define our artistic side so to speak. It takes a beginner to get a feel for his/her style. That takes time. It is the journey to that art side of us that makes photography fun.
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Jan 10, 2016 11:01:58   #
PixelStan77 Loc: Vermont/Chicago
 
It all boils down to what kind of photographer you want to be. Ever notice a tourist bus. Some people get off the bus and start clicking. Others get off the bus and look around and click or set up their tripod. It all depends upon the individual and his or her goals on creating images.
emmons267 wrote:
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THE following article contains material which may me be irritating, provocative or frustrating to some readers. Reader discretion is advised. The opinions expressed in this article are strictly my own and do not reflect the views of the UHH forum or it's members... : )

I've been a UHH member for almost two and a half years. During that time I've noticed that many of the responses to various questions and topics have a tendency to give the impression that becoming a good photographer is more difficult to learn than I feel it actually is. I believe that this has a more negative than positive effect on those new to photography who might have asked the question, or those beginners who are just following the thread. In my opinion, and from my experience, learning photography is not that difficult or complex. Don't get me wrong, there are those on this site that have spent their time and effort to go beyond what the average photographer knows, theoretically and practically, and I commend them for their efforts - their knowledge is impressive. But, in reality, what you need to learn and how long it should take to learn it in order to become a good photographer, are much less than what some threads and responses have indicated or implied. If you follow a few simple steps you will find that you'll understand photography and your camera, and be able to enjoy both, in less time then you think. Needless to say, it all depends on how much time you spend practicing and the desire you have to learn. So, dig in when you're ready, and sooner than you think, you'll have become a good photographer enjoying your new hobby.
Remember, there is no limit to how much you can learn but rather how much you need to learn to become proficient. Master the basics and than move on to more advanced topics and skills as needed or desired.

First - You need to know your camera inside and out, backward and forward. Read the manual and test each feature, option and setting. You'll know when you're completely comfortable with your camera and all the settings and features. The more you know about your camera the more you will enjoy photography.

Second - Read one of the recommended books on exposure - Bryan Peterson, Sean Arbabi, Jeff Wignall, etc. Read it until you completely understand the theory and how to apply it. To thoroughly understand it you'll need to practice as you go along. The more you understand about exposure the more you will enjoy photography.

Third - Practice. If you want to know what a feature or setting does and to see the effects, just make the changes and view the image. Being able to immediately view your image is the beauty of modern digital cameras and one of the best tools to help you understand your camera and to understand the exposure triangle (by the way, the exposure triangle hasn't changed in the last century - light is still the same, time is the same and ISO sensitivity has the same effects).

Lastly - Composition. The basics of composition are easy to learn and apply but having a good eye and being able to spot the good picture is something that can't be easily taught. You either have it or you don't. But don't worry, you can improve by observing and studying pictures that you really like and consider to be exceptional.

Happy trails

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Jan 10, 2016 11:57:35   #
Dun1 Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
Today it is far easier to learn to photograph with a DSLR. You can see your results instantly, you don't have to shoot and then send the film to a developer to see the results.
Help should start with the users manual, almost every time I shoot I find photographers who have never read the users manual, most unbox the camera, slip the battery in and shoot away, then the prime question or questions becomes why are my shots blurred, out of focus, too light too dark.
If you find the users manual difficult to read and follow, most camera manufacturers have tutorials on their websites about how to use and apply the functions of the camera. If you can not find tutorials on the camera manufacturers website, You Tube has hour of how toos available.
When shooting keep notes, review your sessions, don't stop shooting, you will never get better by putting the camera back in the box and being frustrated.
Find tutorials that are specific for the type of photos you enjoy shooting, i.e. landscapes, buildings, portraits, etc and use what you glean from those tutorials to make your sessions better,
Honestly you should never stop learning or using new ideas,

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Jan 10, 2016 13:51:22   #
rob s Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
This has been an interesting thread. We all have photographic needs as different as we are people.
For me the biggest change in how I shoot and in the images I produce began with learning to crop.
This focused my attention on the content of each image like nothing had before.
That focus is the key. Even if you shoot jpegs begin by learning to crop. Ignore the 'standard' sizes and crop to suit the content. If you want to print and don't want to cut down the image you can use a matt to make the crop when you frame. It's no coincidence that the symbol on many editing programs looks like two L shaped pieces of card. These work very well on a finished print to see what looks best to the eye.
Almost every image needs to be cropped to produce the most pleasing proportions.
If following this modest start you wish to go further check out free tutorials from people like Anthony Morganti and Serge Ramelli. They, (and others), offer brief simple and easily digested lessons on how to begin improving picture quality. Learn as much as you want and as quickly as you wish.

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Jan 11, 2016 05:01:56   #
katkase Loc: Grapeview, WA
 
The one thing that gets mentioned a lot is that many of the photographers mention DSLR's. My pocketbook for a very long time would not let me get anything than a point and shoot. I use bridge cameras as that is in my price range but the point and shoots forced me to look at photography using the limited range of the cameras. I will have to say, those point and shoots got me to take photos I will never probably get again in this lifetime. It has influenced how I look at photography and I realized that I do not have to travel far to get great photos. I looked at my yard and serendipity became my catchword. I have a post here that shows my serendipity photos. They were taken with the small point and shoot cameras. I got the experience and used my imagination to make what I had work. I looked at macros as I could not do that with my SLR, but, could with a used Olympus 3.2 MP camera I bought on Ebay in 2005. That camera was my first foray into digital and in the learning process I ended with great photos, not so great photos and the ranges in between. But in the ten years of using digital, my photographic skills have evolved. Like I have been saying photography is a personal journey and if I decide to share which I do, I have to take criticism in all forms weather it is nice or not. I have run the gamut and I have to take it in stride. I can choose what to accept and not. But, I will always be looking for that next shot. And, it may be a post of one of my many paper mache projects were the imagination went south on how to finish the project. Not art, but who knows, I may get good ideas on how to do just that, finish it. And, that will be on a different site than UHH.

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Jan 11, 2016 09:02:45   #
sr71 Loc: In Col. Juan Seguin Land
 
Oh my grasshopper you still come out the better O wise one.
Ignore the Wah Ta Nah Bees




katkase wrote:
The one thing that gets mentioned a lot is that many of the photographers mention DSLR's. My pocketbook for a very long time would not let me get anything than a point and shoot. I use bridge cameras as that is in my price range but the point and shoots forced me to look at photography using the limited range of the cameras. I will have to say, those point and shoots got me to take photos I will never probably get again in this lifetime. It has influenced how I look at photography and I realized that I do not have to travel far to get great photos. I looked at my yard and serendipity became my catchword. I have a post here that shows my serendipity photos. They were taken with the small point and shoot cameras. I got the experience and used my imagination to make what I had work. I looked at macros as I could not do that with my SLR, but, could with a used Olympus 3.2 MP camera I bought on Ebay in 2005. That camera was my first foray into digital and in the learning process I ended with great photos, not so great photos and the ranges in between. But in the ten years of using digital, my photographic skills have evolved. Like I have been saying photography is a personal journey and if I decide to share which I do, I have to take criticism in all forms weather it is nice or not. I have run the gamut and I have to take it in stride. I can choose what to accept and not. But, I will always be looking for that next shot. And, it may be a post of one of my many paper mache projects were the imagination went south on how to finish the project. Not art, but who knows, I may get good ideas on how to do just that, finish it. And, that will be on a different site than UHH.
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