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Dec 28, 2015 21:49:43   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
MW wrote:
Probably had a better markup.

That's a possibility...

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Dec 28, 2015 22:05:48   #
bkellyusa Loc: Nashville, TN
 
I couldn't disagree more. The EVF viewfinder might be the Sony A6000 cameras best feature. In my opinion, matching feature for feature over an optical only viewfinder the EVF is the hands down winner. It will do things that are impossible on an optical only viewfinder.


Smokey66 wrote:
Agree!

The optical viewfinder on my DSLR is much better than the viewfinders on every point and shoot camera and the A6000 that I have used. The view is small and dark. If you can't 'see' your subject, how is the composition of your shot? Then there is the LCD screen used exclusively on phones and some point and shoot cameras that are totally is useless in daylight. Until the viewfinder improves on point and shoot or mft cameras, I know that I would never buy one.

And while some cell phone pictures can be great, for most of us, blow them up a bit and you will see that most cell phone pics have motion blur.
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Dec 28, 2015 23:32:54   #
kb6kgx Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
GoofyNewfie wrote:
A good reason not to get camera advice from Best Buy.


Best Buy is good as long as you know exactly what you want going in there. Don’t try to ask for any real advice because they generally won’t know it. That’s been my experience.

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Dec 29, 2015 00:04:00   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
bkellyusa wrote:
I couldn't disagree more. The EVF viewfinder might be the Sony A6000 cameras best feature. In my opinion, matching feature for feature over an optical only viewfinder the EVF is the hands down winner. It will do things that are impossible on an optical only viewfinder.




Totally agree.

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Dec 29, 2015 01:16:46   #
dickwilber Loc: Indiana (currently)
 
Here we are again, arguing about the advantages of various photographic technologies.

When I was just a boy, I was introduced to the joys of photography by the presentation of an Ansco box camera by an Uncle. I loved that thing and images I captured, but couldn't get my family to support my new found need for film and processing. When I finally was old enough to get a paper route, I got a folding/bellows camera. But in a few more years it was sports and girls, then college, job, family ... A snapshot here and there with another box camera until finally I went out and got myself a 35 mm rangefinder.

Loved those pictures, but soon felt constricted by just a single focal length and started lusting after a camera with interchangeable lenses. Lots of choices back then: Minolta, Pentax, Ricoh, Mamiya, Miranda, others; I soon narrowed the field to Nikon, Canon and Olympus. The small size and exquisite handling of the Olympus OMn's won out, and I was happy with them for the next decade and a half.

By then age was catching up and I saw real value in auto focus. That then meant Nikon or Canon, and Canon had just dumped their FD lens mount in favor of the new EF mount (earlier R and FL mounts long since abandoned) and I opted for the stability of Nikon's commitment to their 1959 F mount. Another decade plus, and we're in the digital age! Now progress in sensors and data handling requires frequent camera replacement.

Today the controversy is DSLR or mirrorless! Get rid of that clunky, loud, vibration inducing mirror and probably the shutter; simplify lens design; smaller and lighter! Advantage mirrorless! BUT, not if I have to scrap my considerable investment in glass, or lose any of the capabilities my system now affords me.

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Dec 29, 2015 05:00:03   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
INshooter wrote:
My gut feeling is that mirrorless is the future. I'm just hoping that Nikon makes a full frame version that will take the lenses I now have! :P


Yes - of course - mirrorless is the future - but advances will most likely be for MFT. It might be better to make future investment in equipment with that in mind? :-)

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Dec 29, 2015 05:06:00   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
BebuLamar wrote:
They don't have the mirror. Back in the old days for example the Nikon F2 or F3 only can do 5-6fps but there is the high speed version with the pellice mirror that doesn't move can achieve something like 13fps.


I believe pellical mirrors have their own problems, including ghosting in pics.

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Dec 29, 2015 09:17:42   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
dickwilber wrote:
Here we are again, arguing about the advantages of various photographic technologies.

When I was just a boy, I was introduced to the joys of photography by the presentation of an Ansco box camera by an Uncle. I loved that thing and images I captured, but couldn't get my family to support my new found need for film and processing. When I finally was old enough to get a paper route, I got a folding/bellows camera. But in a few more years it was sports and girls, then college, job, family ... A snapshot here and there with another box camera until finally I went out and got myself a 35 mm rangefinder.

Loved those pictures, but soon felt constricted by just a single focal length and started lusting after a camera with interchangeable lenses. Lots of choices back then: Minolta, Pentax, Ricoh, Mamiya, Miranda, others; I soon narrowed the field to Nikon, Canon and Olympus. The small size and exquisite handling of the Olympus OMn's won out, and I was happy with them for the next decade and a half.

By then age was catching up and I saw real value in auto focus. That then meant Nikon or Canon, and Canon had just dumped their FD lens mount in favor of the new EF mount (earlier R and FL mounts long since abandoned) and I opted for the stability of Nikon's commitment to their 1959 F mount. Another decade plus, and we're in the digital age! Now progress in sensors and data handling requires frequent camera replacement.

Today the controversy is DSLR or mirrorless! Get rid of that clunky, loud, vibration inducing mirror and probably the shutter; simplify lens design; smaller and lighter! Advantage mirrorless! BUT, not if I have to scrap my considerable investment in glass, or lose any of the capabilities my system now affords me.
Here we are again, arguing about the advantages of... (show quote)


I hear you. I am EXTREMELY glad I turned my back on Canikon in favor of m43... I can adapt the best of the old glass and sell the rest.

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Dec 29, 2015 09:28:15   #
Smokey66 Loc: Hanover, ON, CA
 
bkellyusa wrote:
I couldn't disagree more. The EVF viewfinder might be the Sony A6000 cameras best feature. In my opinion, matching feature for feature over an optical only viewfinder the EVF is the hands down winner. It will do things that are impossible on an optical only viewfinder.


Not sure what you mean that the EVF on the a6000 will do things impossible in an optical only viewfinder. Also, my post was an opinion on a DSLR viewfinder vs P&S/a6000/mft, not vs optical only viewfinder, whatever that is....

I don't want my viewfinder to "do things", rather I want the view of my subject to be bright. The view of the subject in EVF's are dark and it seems like I'm looking in a tunnel, as is the case on a a6000.

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Dec 29, 2015 10:36:11   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
Gabriel wrote:
Interesting Discussion.
I've been a professional videographer for over 20 years and have experienced so many changes in the way video is captured: first Betamax- far-superior to VHS - but didn't initially keep up with VHS's ability to achieve longer playing speeds. We went through Super VHS, Hi-8, Digital Video, and now video can be captured on Media Cards in High-Definition and even 4K.
I have $ 6,000 cameras I couldn't sell for $ 150.00
today. They're huge. I can shoot better footage with
smaller cameras on media cards. When I was shooting on tape, it would take real time to capture footage into my computer (4 hours of footage would take 4 hours); now, 4 hours shot on a media card can be loaded into my computer
in a matter of minutes.
CDs replaced reel-to-reel tape, vinyl, and everything else. I still enjoy playing my reel-to-reel tapes on equipment that would give you a hernia just to lift it, but I enjoy playing my tapes because it brings me emotionally back to an earlier time I loved.
Canon and Nikon are in the business of making money.
At some point, what we know as DSLR will go the way of film. We'll feel the sadness, but ultimately we'll have to embrace the new kids on the block.

PS: With all of this mind, my camera of choice right now is a Canon 6D (I also have a Canon 70D). Rumors around the internet suggest that Canon might be releasing
a new Canon 5D replacement for the Mark III ( a Mark IV).
I'd like to wait and see. I was thinking of moving up to
this camera if it comes on the market. Any thoughts, since
the discussion focuses on the new mirrorless cameras by Sony. The issue for me always becomes my Canon lenses, which I love. Stay with DSLR or go mirrorless??? Any mirrorless users out there who could shed light on their experiences with this format?
Interesting Discussion. br I've been a prof... (show quote)


you might want to visit United Home Audio's website (UHA), as you think your open reel deck is a thing of the past.

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Dec 29, 2015 11:25:53   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
Smokey66 wrote:
Not sure what you mean that the EVF on the a6000 will do things impossible in an optical only viewfinder. Also, my post was an opinion on a DSLR viewfinder vs P&S/a6000/mft, not vs optical only viewfinder, whatever that is....

I don't want my viewfinder to "do things", rather I want the view of my subject to be bright. The view of the subject in EVF's are dark and it seems like I'm looking in a tunnel, as is the case on a a6000.


Sorry Smokey, but you are totally wrong. EVFs are as bright or dark as you need them to be. Great for low light shots. They are also 100% view. By comparison DSLR viewfinders are dim, small and not 100% view. Also they will not tell you what your camera is doing - not the case with EVFs - which show all aspects of your exposure without taking your eye off the scene. But I am talking MFT - the future of photography. I have no experience of the A6000. Best wishes for 2016. :-)

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Dec 29, 2015 11:57:10   #
PEANUT MAN Loc: Florida
 
AT MY AGE I ain't GONA CHANGE OR FRET ABOUT IT!!! My Nikon D100 is doing just fine.
Thanks though for the tec info.

"HAPPY NEW" to all

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Dec 29, 2015 13:36:24   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
Delderby wrote:
Sorry Smokey, but you are totally wrong. EVFs are as bright or dark as you need them to be. Great for low light shots. They are also 100% view. By comparison DSLR viewfinders are dim, small and not 100% view. Also they will not tell you what your camera is doing - not the case with EVFs - which show all aspects of your exposure without taking your eye off the scene. But I am talking MFT - the future of photography. I have no experience of the A6000. Best wishes for 2016. :-)


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Dec 29, 2015 13:48:38   #
MW
 
Delderby wrote:
Sorry Smokey, but you are totally wrong. EVFs are as bright or dark as you need them to be. Great for low light shots. They are also 100% view. By comparison DSLR viewfinders are dim, small and not 100% view. Also they will not tell you what your camera is doing - not the case with EVFs - which show all aspects of your exposure without taking your eye off the scene. But I am talking MFT - the future of photography. I have no experience of the A6000. Best wishes for 2016. :-)


Lousy composition is lousy whether you do it 35-SLR, D-SLR or Mirrorless. Ditto great composition. So why might someone, me for instance, switch from Nikon D7100 (or similar Canon)? Bulk was first reason, weight the second. The principal significance is that I'm now about 25-50% more likely to have a camera (other than iPhone 5) with me at any given time. Regardless of skills, artistic sensability etc etc, it's pretty darn hard to make a photo without a camera!

Are viewfinders- none are perfect. EVPs can really frustrate when bright sun behind and to the right sneaks in between your face and the camera body. EVPs can display a lot more data but that data can be so much it make composing harder. It's comes down to personal preferences, however the biggest plus in my case is that I can set it up to have a histogram display and use it for setting exposure. Others might just find it a nuisance

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Dec 29, 2015 15:26:32   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
wj cody wrote:
you might want to visit United Home Audio's website (UHA), as you think your open reel deck is a thing of the past.


Good grief! At $10,000 and up for those UHA decks, reel-to-reel tape is a thing of the past for almost everyone!

The whole high end audio market is as much of a sham as bee pollen therapy and voodoo. Unless you are under 25 years of age, your ears likely can't perceive the difference! And if they can, you're playing it so loud you're damaging your hearing anyway.

I grew up in radio and AV production studios, using some of the finest analog audio gear around from the 1960s through the 1980s. I used Magnecorder, MCA, Ampex, 3M, Studer, Tecnics, Sony, Teac, TASCAM, and AKAI tape decks... CSF Thomson compressors and limiters... UREI LA-4 and Teletronix LA-2A compressors... Neve and Universal Audio and Harris/Gates control boards... You couldn't pay me to use any of it professionally, today, except for the EV RE-20 microphone, a vintage Universal Audio 610 tube pre-amp, and their 1176LN compressor-limiter. That UA pair is still in use today by many top vocal performers and studios, and the mic is still a staple of thousands of radio stations and recording studios world wide. Google 'em all if you want to learn more...

But tape??? Seriously? I just want to rent a few hours on a deck to spool my small reel-to-reel tape collection into a Mac, so I can convert it to AIFF for CD, and then convert that to AAC!

Tape, vinyl records, film... The "nostalgia market" is alive and thriving on huge profit margins. The first pea brain who tells me that old analog video played on a CRT TV beats HD or 4K will be laughed out of my way.

Bits whip atoms. Digital is more practical than analog. Deal with it. It's where everyone went...

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