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Dec 18, 2015 10:05:53   #
jwestman Loc: Grand Rapids, MI
 
Dear Jesus,

Thanks for asking this question! The answers were very helpful to me. It is a question that I've been meaning to ask. Happy Holidays! j

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Dec 18, 2015 11:13:46   #
Hammer Loc: London UK
 
Its the old story of over complexity resulting from the need/desire to analyse as much as possible .

The more you "keyword" the more complex it will get and this will defeat the object of the exercise on the first place.

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Dec 18, 2015 11:47:35   #
tinplater Loc: Scottsdale, AZ
 
Hammer wrote:
Its the old story of over complexity resulting from the need/desire to analyse as much as possible .

The more you "keyword" the more complex it will get and this will defeat the object of the exercise on the first place.


My opinion is distinctly different, the more keywords you have the easier it is to retrieve a specific image out of thousands of potential retrievals. In my case nothing to do with the need/desire to analyse, but rather a need for fast efficient selection.

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Dec 18, 2015 12:45:17   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
Jerry, I would use keywords such as cars but apply that to the image. Instead I have keywords under cars such as Convertibles, Hot Rods, Vintage, Classic, Muscle, Antique, etc. Never apply the keyword 'Cars' to the image but apply one of the others. If you want see every car in your catalog, then you can either click on the right side of the keyword 'Cars' in the right hand keyword list, or go to the Text Library Filter and type 'Cars'. Every car will show up in your thumbnail grid view.

To be honest, I don't collect that many car pictures so I use the Keyword 'Vehicles" and under that I have Auto Show 2007, Belmont Shore Car Show, Fab Ford Show, Fire Trucks, My Vehicles, Oscar Mayer Weinermobile, Other Jeeps, Rod Run Temecula 2009, Volkswagen Bus.

But under some of those keywords, I have more keywords such as under Fab Ford Show I have Fab Ford 2009 and Fab Ford 2011. Under My Vehicles I have CJ7, CRF-450R, El Camino, F-150, GL-1500, GL-1800, Honda Civic Hybrid, Jeep Project Pics, Kendon, Misc, Motorhome, Rancher, Rubicon, Unigo. Under My Vehicles, CJ7 I have a bunch of different keywords such as Carter BBD, Diagrams, Jeep Bumper for ideas, JeepsRus, Mics Production Pics, Misc Jeep Stuff, My axle and lift project, My bumper project, My CJ7 Misc pics, My CPS project, My engine project, My Genright fender project, My hand throttle project, My locker project, My OBA project, My shackle project, My shock tower project.

Keep in mind, many pictures have have more than one keyword applied to them. For instance, if I'm taking pictures or mountains in Yellowstone and there's a wolf in the foreground, I would give it the keyword of Animal/wolf; Scenes/Mountains; Places/Yellowstone;

Under the keyword Animal, I have many different animal keywords; under Scenes I have many other keywords such as Beach, Mountains, Valleys, Trees, ect.; Under the keyword Places I have the keywords, of such places that I've gone. I have a Camping, Camera Stuff, Events, Fashion Photography, Funeral, Galapagos Islands and many more main Keywords in my list. You can always change them after you have created them too. If you misspell or just simply want to change a keyword, just right click on the keyword and go to rename. If you don't like a certain keyword nested under another and you want to change it, just drag and drop it.

jerryc41 wrote:
A couple of weeks ago, I began using keywords in LR. I went to my folders of images, and it was easy enough to select all in one group and apply the same keyword. From there, I could break the group down into sub groups. For example, the group would be cars, with sub groups for antique, racing, hot rods, etc. As I continue with keywords, I find that I need a simpler base setup. For example, I could use "People" and "Things" as my two main groups, but that's too vague. Looking for ideas online didn't help much.

So, I'm open to suggestions for how to have a good organizational base for keywords.
A couple of weeks ago, I began using keywords in L... (show quote)

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Dec 18, 2015 13:34:08   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
steveo52 wrote:
Jerry great topic.................I too am facing the same problem.

So you aren't Mexican after all!!! ROTFLMAO :lol: :lol:

Nope, not Mexican. Reminds me of a joke. Every day driving to work, a man saw a small sign by the side of the road: "Have a problem? Jesus can help," and there was a phone number. One day, out of curiosity, he called and got a recording, "Jesus Gonzales, gardening, home repairs, problems solved."

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Dec 18, 2015 13:40:54   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
Jerry, I would use keywords such as cars but apply that to the image. Instead I have keywords under cars such as Convertibles, Hot Rods, Vintage, Classic, Muscle, Antique, etc. Never apply the keyword 'Cars' to the image but apply one of the others. If you want see every car in your catalog, then you can either click on the right side of the keyword 'Cars' in the right hand keyword list, or go to the Text Library Filter and type 'Cars'. Every car will show up in your thumbnail grid view.

Okay, that makes sense. So an image would never be assigned the word at the top of the hierarchy. I just tried that kind of clicking, and I see that I get images in all the subcategories. Thanks.

I've found what I have to be careful of is clicking in the wrong place at the wrong time and deleting keywords from images.

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Dec 18, 2015 13:42:04   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Hammer wrote:
Its the old story of over complexity resulting from the need/desire to analyse as much as possible .

The more you "keyword" the more complex it will get and this will defeat the object of the exercise on the first place.

yes, I can see that. I can have People, Family, Billy, Tommy, etc., etc. Of course if I want to find a picture of a family member, then it has to be keyed.

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Dec 18, 2015 15:10:56   #
Joanna27 Loc: Lakewood Ca
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I got some ideas from my previous post about keywords, so at this point, I'm accumulating information. This seems like it could become a very large topic. Maybe we need a separate section here for Lightroom Keywords. :D


Sounds good to me. I'm still struggling. :)

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Dec 18, 2015 16:53:31   #
big-guy Loc: Peterborough Ontario Canada
 
Jerry, you need to ask yourself some base questions such as, what are the common attributes when you ask yourself, "now where is that photo of ???" (family, car, truck, fall colors, mountains, lake etc.)

Pick your top answers and use them as your base keywords. Expand from there.

You could also incorporate the collections by setting up smart collections for each main keyword. As an example, make a smart collection for all photos with the keyword "family". This will help to find a family photo that does not contain any specific keyword such as wife, daughter, Karen etc. in the sense that you won't have to look through all the car and truck photos. Unless of course the wife is in a truck.

Now that you have all the family photos together you can use the paintbrush tool with keyword selected and paint in specific keywords to each photo such as wife, daughter. etc. Very fast.

jerryc41 wrote:
Yes, but figuring that out is too hard!

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Dec 18, 2015 17:05:51   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
PhotoshooterNJ wrote:
Lucky your Jerry.... This way you won't have to worry how to get back over the wall! :lol:

I don't go over or under walls anymore. Borrowing out of Dannemora cured me of that. :D

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Dec 18, 2015 17:06:49   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
big-guy wrote:
Jerry, you need to ask yourself some base questions such as, what are the common attributes when you ask yourself, "now where is that photo of ???" (family, car, truck, fall colors, mountains, lake etc.)

Pick your top answers and use them as your base keywords. Expand from there.

You could also incorporate the collections by setting up smart collections for each main keyword. As an example, make a smart collection for all photos with the keyword "family". This will help to find a family photo that does not contain any specific keyword such as wife, daughter, Karen etc. in the sense that you won't have to look through all the car and truck photos. Unless of course the wife is in a truck.

Now that you have all the family photos together you can use the paintbrush tool with keyword selected and paint in specific keywords to each photo such as wife, daughter. etc. Very fast.
Jerry, you need to ask yourself some base question... (show quote)

Thanks. That sounds good. I haven't used the paintbrush for that yet.

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Dec 18, 2015 19:27:19   #
Mr PC Loc: Austin, TX
 
I personally keep my files organized outside of Lightroom by Year, then by the name of the shoot and date in the folder name and I export to an Edited folder under that. So on a Windows machine it would look like 2015\MillsPond Sunrise12-1-2015\EditedMillsPondSunrise12-1-2015 and so on for each shoot during the year. I keyword as I import into Lightroom and use the location and the dominant subjects in the shoot, as well as any thing else memorable. Even if I totally blow up my catalog and lose all of my keywords, at least my organization on the hard drive gives me a chance of finding things. And yes, I do backup the catalog every time I exit Lightroom, but as a computer guy I am paranoid with good reason. Hope this helps some, Jerry. You're a good guy, but I've never confused you with Jesus.

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Dec 18, 2015 19:35:49   #
papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach
 
tsilva wrote:
Jesus, Only YOU know what will make it easy for YOU to find YOUR pictures


He ask for suggestions. Not your nastiness.

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Dec 18, 2015 20:10:13   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
tsilva wrote:
Jesus, Only YOU know what will make it easy for YOU to find YOUR pictures


You misspelt jerry :) maybe animal vegetable mineral might make a start.
Earth wind and fire ...

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Dec 19, 2015 00:46:12   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Yes, but figuring that out is too hard!

I'm looking for a tried and true method that actually works. So far, my efforts have expanded my base of keywords way too much. With so many clever, talented people here, I know someone will be able to help me avoid thinking too much.

By the way, my name is Jerry. I'm not Mexican. :D
Are you sure about the Mexican thing? Just trying out a new keyword.

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