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2 Questions: sRGB/Adobe RGB; Printing and D810 Setting
Dec 2, 2015 17:42:25   #
Maxwell12 Loc: Florida
 
I am new to digital and would like to be able to get the best prints possible using a printing service while not compromising web based applications.

Please review my understanding of color space and how it relates to the color space settings in general and my D810 specifcally. I apologize that this is so lenghty. If you can answer any one of the parts I would appreciate it.

My D810 has color space settings for sRBG and Adobe RGB. I shoot RAW so I believe these settings are meaningless as RAW data as imported into Lightroom has no color space and this setting is basically ignored. These settings would only apply if I were to shoot JPEG or someting other than RAW. (??)

Once in LR I select the color space I want to use for editing and/or what color space I want to use for export.

I can edit in Adobe RGB in LR and export in sRGB to any web based service (facebook etc) and it will look the same as if it had been edited in sRGB.

I would export image files for printing using (1) Adobe RGB if the printing service uses that protocol or (2) whatever color management the printing company uses.

I am told some companyies accecpt Adobe RGB but print in sRGB which degrades the image. With companies that print in sRGB, that is the way you should export the file so the image is not degraded. The printing protocol should be clearly defined before hand.

Would editing in a larger color space , then downsizing it to sRGB for web based applications produce a poorer image than if it had been edited in sRGB and exported as sRGB?

The idea is that I feel like I should use the largest color space in LR for those occations when I have an image I want to make a large print of. This may be rare but when I do make a print I wnat it to be the best it can be. By the same token, I don't want web based sRGB images of lesser quality (of an sRGB edited print) just because I am set up for that large print.

I know this is a lot to digest but I have gone as far as I can without imput from more knowledgeable photographers.

Thanks for you consideration.

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Dec 2, 2015 18:22:54   #
N4646W
 
I also am new to digital and have been wondering about this also. I have seen a lot of opinions on the net, but as yet have not seen why one is better or worse than the other. So far I have limited my work to Adobe 1968, but there is probably something better. Not worried about file sizes as system runs 10 removable slots for HD's.

Hope someone will chime in on this.

Ron

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Dec 2, 2015 19:29:19   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Maxwell12 wrote:
I am new to digital and would like to be able to get the best prints possible using a printing service while not compromising web based applications.

Please review my understanding of color space and how it relates to the color space settings in general and my D810 specifcally. I apologize that this is so lenghty. If you can answer any one of the parts I would appreciate it.

My D810 has color space settings for sRBG and Adobe RGB. I shoot RAW so I believe these settings are meaningless as RAW data as imported into Lightroom has no color space and this setting is basically ignored. These settings would only apply if I were to shoot JPEG or someting other than RAW. (??)
Correct
Once in LR I select the color space I want to use for editing and/or what color space I want to use for export.
Correct - caveat: The camera records the color space and LR uses it as a base. You can change it before editing once your start the edits, you are committed.
I can edit in Adobe RGB in LR and export in sRGB to any web based service (facebook etc) and it will look the same as if it had been edited in sRGB.
No. See explanation below
I would export image files for printing using (1) Adobe RGB if the printing service uses that protocol or (2) whatever color management the printing company uses.
Correct - Caveat: You need to download their ICC files to match their printer(s) and your paper selection(s)
I am told some companyies accecpt Adobe RGB but print in sRGB which degrades the image. With companies that print in sRGB, that is the way you should export the file so the image is not degraded. The printing protocol should be clearly defined before hand.
Correct, if you know the company does that, send sRGB, that way you have no surprise - and get their ICC profile(s)
Would editing in a larger color space , then downsizing it to sRGB for web based applications produce a poorer image than if it had been edited in sRGB and exported as sRGB?
when you deal with color space using a larger one is better but you need to be aware that when you compress the image the image colors may shift so it is best to normalize your workflow so that it is streamlined. Note that this also true with the color depth.
The idea is that I feel like I should use the largest color space in LR for those occations when I have an image I want to make a large print of. This may be rare but when I do make a print I wnat it to be the best it can be. By the same token, I don't want web based sRGB images of lesser quality (of an sRGB edited print) just because I am set up for that large print.
See caution above

I know this is a lot to digest but I have gone as far as I can without imput from more knowledgeable photographers.

Thanks for you consideration.
I am new to digital and would like to be able to g... (show quote)

ICC profile, explanation.

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Dec 2, 2015 20:51:31   #
Maxwell12 Loc: Florida
 
Thanks Rongnongno for taking the time. Very helpful.

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Dec 3, 2015 08:34:51   #
zigipha Loc: north nj
 
When editing in adobe RGB, make sure you have a monitor that can cover the adobe RGB gamut. if you edit in adobe rgb and have a srgb monitor, it wont look right.

It will be off by a bit, but if you are fretting about abdobe rgb vs srgb, then you need to consider this.

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Dec 3, 2015 09:22:02   #
Maxwell12 Loc: Florida
 
Understood zigipha. I probably should have mentioned that I do have a monitor capable of displaying these color spaces.

Thanks

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Dec 3, 2015 11:44:33   #
chuckw514 Loc: Newport Coast,CA
 
Hi Maxwell12,
My printing service definitly likes sRGB. When I have presented them with Adobe RGB, they came out darker with less contrast.
Chuck

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Dec 3, 2015 12:07:08   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
What! Won't that camera also do ProPhoto RGB?

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Dec 3, 2015 19:08:45   #
CraigFair Loc: Santa Maria, CA.
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
What! Won't that camera also do ProPhoto RGB?

NO
Craig
PS: Found it under Color Space in Shooting Menu.

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Dec 3, 2015 19:41:22   #
tusketwedge Loc: Nova Scotia Canada
 
most printers now are using sRGB profile .If your lucky you might find individuals with a pro printer that will take the time to change his profiles to whatever you bring him or her.Especially if they have a Canon printer as it's just a matter of seconds to change.If your are lucky in your search for sure a person ,ask what he has his monitor set at and get your set the same.Save a lot of headaches in the long run.I was lucky to find one such person that does it in his house spare time "thinking of going full time" He's been in the trade for almost 30 years and good at what he does. When I shoot sunset or sunrise I usually shoot and process in RGB to capture all the diff.hues and shades of blues and if lucky a hint of purple, that I would probably not get if using sRGB because t=of it's gamut size.

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