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Nov 29, 2015 12:26:36   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
joer wrote:
I like it :thumbup:

I wouldn't give up AF either but there are situations when manual focus is better. An example would be macro/micro photography.


Glad you like Ryan's photo.

I agree with you that manual focus is good in macro.

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Nov 29, 2015 13:16:42   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
Couldn't agree more. I shoot for my own artistic hoohah. Rarely show my best work to anyone other than close relatives. Every so often, when I get that one gem, it gives me great joy.

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Nov 29, 2015 13:20:16   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Reminder the quote below
Rongnongno wrote:
Well, yes it is.

I was reading a post a couple of days ago and it kept bothering me.

The statement made was: Before we were told that it was more important to get good glass than a good camera. I agreed but at the same time I was ambivalent. Finally I understood my reservation for today's camera.

If before the lens was the prime element in a camera now this not the case, even if you STILL NEED good glass. Why? If you recall we had a choice of film that in turn determined the quality of the final product depending on need and purpose.

The film choice in camera has been removed from us and we are stuck with a sensor that has set physical limitations. The size and concentration of the pixels is so different from one camera to the other that the camera sensor is now a determining factor.

If a glass is still important it is not as important as you have to match sensor capabilities with the lens quality. It makes very little sense to invest in a good glass if the sensor is crappy unless you are planning a major upgrade to a mega-pixel camera.

We have to recognize that few of us want the best sensor resolution and we still want more. I am stuck with a Nikon D800e so I am waiting for the next major upgrade, not the intermediary commercial D810. Had I had canon system I would have purchased their 50MB camera.

To go back to the lenses. Since I use manual focus and do not give a damn about autofocus I am in the process to revert to much cheaper older lenses that are way better than our current crop of offering. They were built like tanks, had a DOF guide, are just as bright and... Well the circle of diffusion used over the sensor was larger than what we have now. Yes, they are not aspherical and frankly I find this a plus.

So, “Yes, it is the camera”.
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is the topic

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Nov 29, 2015 13:34:44   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Reminder the quote below

is the topic


Well, to sum it all up, without the camera, the world's best lens can't do anything, but without the photographer, neither one is any good. So yes, it IS the camera. All else follows.

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Nov 29, 2015 13:55:38   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
burkphoto wrote:
The Germans have a single word for this: gestalt.

Gestalt refers to a Silhouette of a person or human-like creature!

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Nov 29, 2015 14:09:40   #
Toment Loc: FL, IL
 
It's a triangle...
errrr...oops

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Nov 29, 2015 14:10:32   #
Toment Loc: FL, IL
 
Far North wrote:
Well, to sum it all up, without the camera, the world's best lens can't do anything, but without the photographer, neither one is any good. So yes, it IS the camera. All else follows.

It's a triangle...

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Nov 29, 2015 15:21:03   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
speters wrote:
Gestalt refers to a Silhouette of a person or human-like creature!

Where did you come up with a translation like that? I won't say it's incorrect, but it's a stretch at best..

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Nov 29, 2015 17:09:21   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
speters wrote:
Gestalt refers to a Silhouette of a person or human-like creature!


That is only an etymological, archaic, LITERAL translation. The deeper modern meaning is that a whole is greater than the sum of its parts. The term is used in several languages with that meaning.

Back in 2005, we hosted a German exchange student who is fluent in seven languages (masters graduate level). She is the one who taught me the meaning of gestalt.

Both of my advanced English dictionaries say the same.

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Nov 30, 2015 00:02:36   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
burkphoto wrote:
That is only an etymological, archaic, LITERAL translation. The deeper modern meaning is that a whole is greater than the sum of its parts. The term is used in several languages with that meaning.

Back in 2005, we hosted a German exchange student who is fluent in seven languages (masters graduate level). She is the one who taught me the meaning of gestalt.

Both of my advanced English dictionaries say the same.

Agreed, with a little bit more information. Below are the German translation and English definitions of the word. When I was a freshman in college taking my first psych class, I asked my father the meaning of the word; his response was that it was a "clouded" (his word, not mine) word that had several related meanings, but his general explanation parallel the German definition. His level of expertise could best be described as "Native"; my grandfather was born in Kassel, Hesse, and my father didn't begin to learn English until he was in the equivalent of middle school. My father also served as a U. S. Army translator in Europe during WWI. The rest of my several years in college, majoring in psych, taught me that the word is now uniformly recognized as a principle that parallels the above explanation, which you can see is the same as defined below.

gestalt (n) (Ger) - shape, form, figure, character, person, frame, build, guise
gestalt (n) (Eng) - an organized whole that is perceived as more than the sum of its parts.

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Dec 2, 2015 14:04:44   #
Alfonso
 
I had a D800 and now have a D810. The D810 is not merely a D800 upgrade. It's in an enhanced universe. It is faster than the rated 1fps increase over the D800. Its dynamic range capture is far superior to the D800. While the Canon 5DS has greater resolution, it's noticeably slower than the D810 or the D800 and has inferior dynamic range capture (loses shadow details found in D810 images). And the 5DS advantage in higher resolution over the D810 is offset by Canon's retention of a form of low-pass filter on the 5DS. And I haven't touched on video or flash, superior in the D810 to the D800 or any 5D camera.

Frankly I was disappointed with my D800. I'm thrilled with the D810. You might consider renting one and then comparing it to your D800e.

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Dec 2, 2015 14:22:05   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Alfonso wrote:
I had a D800 and now have a D810. The D810 is not merely a D800 upgrade. It's in an enhanced universe. It is faster than the rated 1fps increase over the D800. Its dynamic range capture is far superior to the D800. While the Canon 5DS has greater resolution, it's noticeably slower than the D810 or the D800 and has inferior dynamic range capture (loses shadow details found in D810 images). And the 5DS advantage in higher resolution over the D810 is offset by Canon's retention of a form of low-pass filter on the 5DS. And I haven't touched on video or flash, superior in the D810 to the D800 or any 5D camera.

Frankly I was disappointed with my D800. I'm thrilled with the D810. You might consider renting one and then comparing it to your D800e.
I had a D800 and now have a D810. The D810 is not... (show quote)


"Are you talking to me?"

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Dec 2, 2015 14:34:28   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
"Are you talking to me?"


Isn't that what DeNiro said?

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Dec 2, 2015 14:37:34   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Far North wrote:
Isn't that what DeNiro said?


:thumbup:

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Dec 2, 2015 15:21:19   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
That was addressed to me as I consider the D810 as an incremental upgrade

Alfonso wrote:
I had a D800 and now have a D810. The D810 is not merely a D800 upgrade. It's in an enhanced universe. It is faster than the rated 1fps increase over the D800. Its dynamic range capture is far superior to the D800. While the Canon 5DS has greater resolution, it's noticeably slower than the D810 or the D800 and has inferior dynamic range capture (loses shadow details found in D810 images). And the 5DS advantage in higher resolution over the D810 is offset by Canon's retention of a form of low-pass filter on the 5DS. And I haven't touched on video or flash, superior in the D810 to the D800 or any 5D camera.

Frankly I was disappointed with my D800. I'm thrilled with the D810. You might consider renting one and then comparing it to your D800e.
I had a D800 and now have a D810. The D810 is not... (show quote)

I compared the two and concluded that since I was not interested in video it was not worth it. Still is not. DR is the same (despite your claim) and fps is of no use to me, sorry.

Marketing ploys do not work with me as I look at specific features when I purchase anything.

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