Canon Suing
Nov 23, 2015 07:17:16 #
I agree - while they may lose some money from folks buying gray market - people buying a major camera system are buying the SYSTEM - anyone buying Canon will undoubtedly continue to buy Canon. So IMO they should fight the fake serial numbers and any obviously shady practices - but should continue to offer service (for a charge) on gray market products.
Nov 23, 2015 07:54:34 #
Basil wrote:
Just saw an article on main page at Canon Rumors that Canon USA is suing "Get It Digital" and others over Grey Market sales via EBay. This should be interesting. I've never bought anything from Get it Digital but I have seen them selling various Canon gear.
I wish Canon, Nikon and others would stop playing these marketing games. When they sell to a dealer, authorized or not, they know perfectly well what the intent is.
I hope the courts stick it to them.
Nov 23, 2015 07:57:32 #
jethro779 wrote:
They sell the gear on the open market then get upset because it gets resold? The minute they sold it the first time I would think they lost control of the product and have no recourse.
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Even, or especially, in this PC climate, I haven't heard of reselling something you purchase legitimately and legally being against any laws; well maybe counterfeit money, but that wouldn't be legal at the first sale.
Nov 23, 2015 08:03:54 #
jethro779 wrote:
They sell the gear on the open market then get upset because it gets resold? The minute they sold it the first time I would think they lost control of the product and have no recourse.
Nov 23, 2015 08:57:56 #
fantom wrote:
Doesn't sound like Canon is being unreasonable to me.
Based on those alleged facts, sounds like they have a case.
Nov 23, 2015 09:03:01 #
Its Canon's way of attempting to protect their MSRP pricing.
Canon should be careful. If the MSRP is over-turned by the courts, this could really turned competition into competition. You the consumer will benefit
Canon should be careful. If the MSRP is over-turned by the courts, this could really turned competition into competition. You the consumer will benefit
Nov 23, 2015 09:23:02 #
I bought a Canon camera. If I found out it was not made by Canon, I would be highly POed. If the Smith company made an inferior product and put the Canon name on it, it would give Canon a bad reputation and cause them to loose money. I can understand the reason for their suit.
Nov 23, 2015 09:27:19 #
Its not that its not made by Canon, they are
The issue is what they call a "grey market" camera. Canon sells them to Distributors who then work around the MSRP via Europe or Asian sales markets. They come with warranties but not Canon factory warranties
The issue is what they call a "grey market" camera. Canon sells them to Distributors who then work around the MSRP via Europe or Asian sales markets. They come with warranties but not Canon factory warranties
Nov 23, 2015 09:32:38 #
You are absolutely correct. Having worked for a law firm for 10 years I saw that happen many times. During jury selection the lawyers always try to get jurors that can be easily persuaded.
robertjerl wrote:
Lots of lawyer and judge friends.
Most judges will rule where the law is, juries can go any way, esp if their emotions are stoked by a fast talking talented lawyer.
Most judges will rule where the law is, juries can go any way, esp if their emotions are stoked by a fast talking talented lawyer.
Nov 23, 2015 10:34:32 #
jethro779 wrote:
It will depend on whether it is a jury trial or not. Most judges will rule where the money is not where the justice would be.
Why do you say this? And what do you base it on?
Nov 23, 2015 12:29:32 #
jethro779 wrote:
They sell the gear on the open market then get upset because it gets resold? The minute they sold it the first time I would think they lost control of the product and have no recourse.
Their complaint is that they aren't selling the gear. Canon Japan is selling it, not Canon USA. If users complain locally, then Canon USA must deal with it, although they made no money from the sale.
Nov 23, 2015 13:05:06 #
act wrote:
You are absolutely correct. Having worked for a law firm for 10 years I saw that happen many times. During jury selection the lawyers always try to get jurors that can be easily persuaded.
If you are going to trial.
If you are innocent/in the right ask for a trial by judge and have a good lawyer with all the facts ready ahead of time.
If you are guilty/in the wrong then take trial by jury and find the fastest talking silver tongued shyster you afford. And get a drama coach to help you prepare for the courtroom.
Nov 23, 2015 14:02:56 #
robertjerl wrote:
If you are going to trial.
If you are innocent/in the right ask for a trial by judge and have a good lawyer with all the facts ready ahead of time.
If you are guilty/in the wrong then take trial by jury and find the fastest talking silver tongued shyster you afford. And get a drama coach to help you prepare for the courtroom.
If you are innocent/in the right ask for a trial by judge and have a good lawyer with all the facts ready ahead of time.
If you are guilty/in the wrong then take trial by jury and find the fastest talking silver tongued shyster you afford. And get a drama coach to help you prepare for the courtroom.
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Nov 23, 2015 15:47:47 #
jethro779 wrote:
If these are provable then I guess the judges will rule in Canon's favor. It is a matter of my choice not to buy suspected grey market, but I would have a hard time finding in Canon's favor if none of the accusations were true for the simple reason if they didn't want grey market sold in the U.S. they should make the cameras country specific.
I don't have a problem with buying grey market - that's just a price vs warranty and service issue. BUT buying counterfeit would get me pretty pissed off!
Nov 23, 2015 16:41:30 #
Canon needs to do as Tamron does: do not sell repair parts. That requires all major repairs to come to Tamron and they will not even look at a grey market product.
As far as modified serial numbers goes, they could confiscate the product if they find one. The buyer would be out, but the buyer would then have to sue who they bought it from, with evidence from Canon.
That's just another way to handle grey market items.
As far as modified serial numbers goes, they could confiscate the product if they find one. The buyer would be out, but the buyer would then have to sue who they bought it from, with evidence from Canon.
That's just another way to handle grey market items.
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