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What is Science? Is Intelligent Design a Scientific theory?
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Nov 13, 2015 22:42:07   #
LarJgrip Loc: The Fraser Valley
 
LarJgrip wrote:
So then, the information that we find in DNA was caused by an intelligent mind based on the evidence that we observe and know at present.

This suggests to the suggestible reader/listener that life began purposely through/by an intelligent mind. Which raises a whole lot of questions concerning random selection.




James Shaw wrote:
If what you claim "suggests to the suggestible reader/listener" then I suggest that send all who believe what you say back to Genesis to re-read how man was created by Adam having sex with one of his ribs, once it turned into a woman.

You are just not believable with your folklore (mythology). Try reason next time, not superstition. And quit attempting to imply that you know what mythology "suggests" to others, as you are most certainly not including all rational others.

You dwell in superstition and mythology. Try rationality next time.
If what you claim "suggests to the suggestibl... (show quote)


Notice how James tries to sidestep the issue all together…

I'm talking about the cause of information in DNA and he responds with something unrelated.

So James, can you give us another cause for information other than intelligence?

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Nov 14, 2015 11:29:27   #
James Shaw
 
Quote:
LarJgrip wrote:
So then, the information that we find in DNA was caused by an intelligent mind based on the evidence that we observe and know at present.
This suggests to the suggestible reader/listener that life began purposely through/by an intelligent mind. Which raises a whole lot of questions concerning random selection.
James Shaw wrote:
If what you claim "suggests to the suggestible reader/listener" then I suggest that send all who believe what you say back to Genesis to re-read how man was created by Adam having sex with one of his ribs, once it turned into a woman.
You are just not believable with your folklore (mythology). Try reason next time, not superstition. And quit attempting to imply that you know what mythology "suggests" to others, as you are most certainly not including all rational others.
You dwell in superstition and mythology. Try rationality next time.
LarJgrip wrote: br So then, the information that w... (show quote)
LarJgrip wrote:
Notice how James tries to sidestep the issue all together…
I'm talking about the cause of information in DNA and he responds with something unrelated.
So James, can you give us another cause for information other than intelligence?

On-what do you base your statement that DNA was "caused?" There is no evidence that DNA was caused.
If you should have any rational evidence, whatsoever, that DNA was caused, then let's have it and then we can proceed.

Rationality is not "side stepping." If you can be rational then have at it.

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Nov 14, 2015 11:46:38   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
LarJgrip wrote:
Notice how James tries to sidestep the issue all together…

I'm talking about the cause of information in DNA and he responds with something unrelated.

So James, can you give us another cause for information other than intelligence?


Yup, James won't answer because he knows it's a dead end for his failed theory. I can't even believe he said this.."On-what do you base your statement that DNA was "caused?" There is no evidence that DNA was caused. LOL really, there is no evidence that DNA was caused? LOLOLOL are you friggin kidding me? Yet he calls US irrational minds?

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Nov 14, 2015 12:11:13   #
LarJgrip Loc: The Fraser Valley
 
James Shaw wrote:
Quote:
LarJgrip wrote:
So then, the information that we find in DNA was caused by an intelligent mind based on the evidence that we observe and know at present.
This suggests to the suggestible reader/listener that life began purposely through/by an intelligent mind. Which raises a whole lot of questions concerning random selection.
James Shaw wrote:
If what you claim "suggests to the suggestible reader/listener" then I suggest that send all who believe what you say back to Genesis to re-read how man was created by Adam having sex with one of his ribs, once it turned into a woman.
You are just not believable with your folklore (mythology). Try reason next time, not superstition. And quit attempting to imply that you know what mythology "suggests" to others, as you are most certainly not including all rational others.
You dwell in superstition and mythology. Try rationality next time.
LarJgrip wrote: br So then, the information that w... (show quote)

On-what do you base your statement that DNA was "caused?" There is no evidence that DNA was caused.
If you should have any rational evidence, whatsoever, that DNA was caused, then let's have it and then we can proceed.

Rationality is not "side stepping." If you can be rational then have at it.
Quote LarJgrip wrote: br So then, the information... (show quote)


You're still side stepping …

…show me where I said that DNA was caused? Then we can proceed.

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Nov 14, 2015 12:44:48   #
James Shaw
 
Quote:
LarJgrip wrote:
Notice how James tries to sidestep the issue all together…

I'm talking about the cause of information in DNA and he responds with something unrelated.

So James, can you give us another cause for information other than intelligence?
Racmanaz wrote:
Yup, James won't answer because he knows it's a dead end for his failed theory. I can't even believe he said this.."On-what do you base your statement that DNA was "caused?" There is no evidence that DNA was caused. LOL really, there is no evidence that DNA was caused? LOLOLOL are you friggin kidding me? Yet he calls US irrational minds?

All words, and no substance, Clown.

Show your evidence if there is such, but please be rational in your answer and quit spreading falsehoods in your attempts to diverge from the subject.

And by the way, Clown, the title of your thread is also a falsehood, as "Science does not prove."

You are a most ignorant man, but why do you choose to remain that way when knowledge surrounds you?

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Nov 14, 2015 12:52:02   #
James Shaw
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Yup, James won't answer because he knows it's a dead end for his failed theory. I can't even believe he said this.."On-what do you base your statement that DNA was "caused?" There is no evidence that DNA was caused. LOL really, there is no evidence that DNA was caused? LOLOLOL are you friggin kidding me? Yet he calls US irrational minds?

Correct, there is no evidence that DNA was caused. If you think so then present your evidence.

Also, "science does not prove."

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Nov 14, 2015 13:06:20   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
The fact that DNA exists is evidence that it was a causal effect, whether one believes it originate by Intelligence or by undirected natural processes.....it was still caused.

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Nov 14, 2015 13:25:20   #
LarJgrip Loc: The Fraser Valley
 
James Shaw wrote:
Correct, there is no evidence that DNA was caused. If you think so then present your evidence.

Also, "science does not prove."


…show me where I said that DNA was caused? Then we can proceed.

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Nov 14, 2015 16:29:41   #
James Shaw
 
Racmanaz wrote:
The fact that DNA exists is evidence that it was a causal effect, whether one believes it originate by Intelligence or by undirected natural processes.....it was still caused.

Caused, NO. Came to be by yet an unknown mechanism, YES. Big difference here.

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Nov 14, 2015 16:35:35   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
Everything has a cause unless it is eternal, which in my opinion is God, He is the first cause and the only non caused.

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Nov 14, 2015 17:41:42   #
shagbat Loc: London
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Everything has a cause unless it is eternal, which in my opinion is God, He is the first cause and the only non caused.


Congratulations on offering your (incorrect) opinion. It makes a very pleasant change from your usual repostings of fools like meyer.

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Nov 14, 2015 17:43:32   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
shagbat wrote:
Congratulations on offering your (incorrect) opinion. It makes a very pleasant change from your usual repostings of fools like meyer.


It's only incorrect in your mind. You offer nothing of value to counter my "opinion".

"The fool has said in his heart that there is no God"

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Nov 14, 2015 18:21:50   #
LarJgrip Loc: The Fraser Valley
 
shagbat wrote:
Congratulations on offering your (incorrect) opinion. It makes a very pleasant change from your usual repostings of fools like meyer.


I'm curious, explain to us how it is that you know Racs "offering" was incorrect?

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Nov 14, 2015 18:46:24   #
shagbat Loc: London
 
LarJgrip wrote:
I'm curious, explain to us how it is that you know Racs "offering" was incorrect?


Everything rac posts is wrong, it just is!

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Nov 14, 2015 18:47:54   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
shagbat wrote:
Everything rac posts is wrong, it just is!


Well articulated and communicated, you told me and put me in my place with that line now didn't ya? No wonder you think you win all debates lol

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