DXOMark says the top ten cameras are... (Page 6): Right there on the DxOMARK website. Click on a camera to see it's review. Then hit the next DxOMARK SCORES or next to one of the 4...

CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!

imagemeister wrote:

Can you give a link to this info ??

Right there on the DxOMARK website.

Click on a camera to see it's review. Then hit the [ ? ] next DxOMARK SCORES or next to one of the 4 categories; overall score, color depth, dynamic range, and low light ISO.

Pretty good explanation. :thumbup:

CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!

kymarto wrote:

DxO measures quantifiable sensor characteristics. You can't slant that, it is an absolute measure of signal vs. noise in three categories of sensor performance.

I use both a Nikon D800E and Canon 5D3. Both take good pictures and you will not see much difference in correctly exposured images taken in normal dynamic range scenes. However once the dynamic range gets higher the advantages of the Nikon sensor become apparent.

^^^EXACTLY. :thumbup:

houdel Loc: Chase, Michigan USA

CHOLLY wrote:

Right there on the DxOMARK website.

Click on a camera to see it's review. Then hit the { ? } next DxOMARK SCORES or next to one of the 4 categories; overall score, color depth, dynamic range, and low light ISO.

Pretty good explanation.

So it is. However it would have been a lot less confusing had DXOMark labeled the fields as "Camera Sensor Score" instead of "Camera Score", "Color Depth" instead of "Portrait", "Dynamic Range" instead of "Landscape" and "Low Light ISO" instead of "Sports"!

Thanks for clearing that up!

JPL

houdel wrote:

So it is. However it would have been a lot less confusing had DXOMark labeled the fields as "Camera Sensor Score" instead of "Camera Score", "Color Depth" instead of "Portrait", "Dynamic Range" instead of "Landscape" and "Low Light ISO" instead of "Sports"!

Thanks for clearing that up!

Actually they have changed this recently. Not many months ago they were using color depth, dynamic range and low light instead of those idiotic labels they are using now and are in no relation to sensor characteristics.

But on the website it is still possible to see this explained here http://www.dxomark.com/About/Sensor-scores

CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!

^^^Yep. When they changed their webpage layout and display they dumbed everything down. :(

CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!

houdel wrote:

So it is. However it would have been a lot less confusing had DXOMark labeled the fields as "Camera Sensor Score" instead of "Camera Score", "Color Depth" instead of "Portrait", "Dynamic Range" instead of "Landscape" and "Low Light ISO" instead of "Sports"!

Thanks for clearing that up!

Yep.

As JPL said, they have changed their presentation from something that used to be clear... to something that now leaves people with the impression that they are now rating CAMERAS instead of sensor performance.

Well, that page does not rate cameras IN SPITE of it's title; it rates sensor performance.

And there is one more thing that should be pointed out; the list doesn't say a camera is bad. It simply shows how sensors perform relative to the standards they use to test them.

That's all.

houdel Loc: Chase, Michigan USA

CHOLLY wrote:

^^^Yep. When they changed their webpage layout and display they dumbed everything down. :(

Must have done that for the Canon users, lol!
Love the SR-71

Bram boy Loc: Vancouver Island B.C. Canada

The simple fact is : if there ever was a best camera among any one in the same price range . It would make all the rest obsolete .Think about
If the same brand ,year after won that title best camera of the year in all
Price ranges . How long would it take you to switch to the best camera
In any price range if it was clearly . The Same Brand

Bram boy Loc: Vancouver Island B.C. Canada

The simple fact is : if there ever was a best camera among any one in the same price range . It would make all the rest obsolete .Think about
If the same brand ,year after won that title best camera of the year in all
Price ranges . How long would it take you to switch to the best camera
In any price range if it was clearly . The Same Brand

There is no such thing as the best camera . Buttons , just like ties, forks ,coffee cups , licence plate

tdekany Loc: Oregon

Since all cameras made today are very good, the best camera is the one who has the guy with the best eye behind it, who is also best at PP.

I have seen amazing shots with basic dslrs and terrible pictures that were taken with a D810.

Bram boy wrote:

The simple fact is : if there ever was a best camera among any one in the same price range . It would make all the rest obsolete .Think about
If the same brand ,year after won that title best camera of the year in all
Price ranges . How long would it take you to switch to the best camera
In any price range if it was clearly . The Same Brand

There is no such thing as the best camera . Buttons , just like ties, forks ,coffee cups , licence plate

joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois

BuckeyeBilly wrote:

Yes, this is DxO's rating of the camera sensors for the cameras tested. Here is an alternate website for comparison's sake. What I recommend first is to look on the lefthand side and click "About" first, just so you have perspective on how it produces its scores. From there, you can make your selection(s) for the cameras you'd like to compare with DxO. What I like about this website is that, according to them, they only test cameras that are production cameras, ones that have been purchased in stores rather than testing cameras that may have been supplied by the manufacturer. And...as a teaser...this website awards the best sensor in a studio camera ("the highest achievable image quality") to the Canon 5DS R. The best sensor for an action camera ("best image quality under challenging conditions") goes to the Nikon D4s. The best sensor for a travel camera ("best balance of image quality and resolution across a wide range of conditions") goes to the Canon 5D Mark III. So this is in stark contrast to the DxO ratings because of the awarding to Canon in some of the categories. You always need more than one perspective when it comes to making choices about cameras...or anything else for that matter.

http://www.senscore.org/

This, from SenScore's website:
How does SenScore differ from other sensor ratings?

Most sensor ratings represent the image quality of a sensor under ideal conditions, i.e. base ISO, which is very important and useful for selecting a camera for studio use. However, most cameras do not stay in a studio or on a tripod all the time, they are taken to every conceivable dark and challenging corner of the world, and most of the time, they are used to take images under less than ideal conditions. So for selecting a camera for street photography or shooting concerts, for sports and family and the great outdoors, or maybe for a year of backpacking around the globe, SenScore is more useful, because it is indicative of a camera's image quality under a wide range of real-world conditions. Also, we think that resolving power is very important and must be taken into account when rating a digital camera sensor.

In my opinion, SensScore appears to be a little more fair to Canon than what DxO reports, something that Hog-ers here have always known!

Yes, this is DxO's rating of the camera sensors fo... (show quote)

Thanks for the link to senscore. A different prospective is very useful.

CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!

houdel wrote:

Must have done that for the Canon users, lol!
Love the SR-71

^^^Thanks! On display at the U.S. Air Force Armament Museum on Eglin AFB near Ft. Walton Beach Florida.

It is the last "Big Tail" and it's a beauty!

http://airwingmedia.com/articles/2012/big-tail-one-of-a-kind-sr-71-blackbird/

JPL

joer wrote:

Thanks for the link to senscore. A different prospective is very useful.

When looking at the table of all cameras at senscore.com it only confirms the results from DXOmark. Senscore is adding resolution power (or megapixels of the sensor) to the calculation and despite the highest resolution power of the new Canon 5Ds line of cameras they are only in number 7 and 10 on this list and then the list does not show Canon again until Canon 1DX in 18th place and Canon 6D and 5DIII are number 19 and 20 on this list. And this relatively good Canon score is partly because this website has not yet rated some other new camera models like Sony A7rII and Sony A7II. Other cameras in top 31 on this list are all Nikon and Sony. So to me this looks very consistent with the results of DXOmark.

JPL

What is maybe most interesting at senscore.com is their lens score. There we can see that the best Canon lenses are all in the 200-800 mm range and that kind of says that Canon needs to make new lenses to harvest the potential of the 5Ds lineup of cameras, as they are hardly the cameras to put behind lenses in that range. And this also means that Canon needs to make new bodies to harvest the resolution and quality of those lenses. In other words, Canon is not matching their production of lenses and cameras properly. However buyers of Canon 5Ds cameras can partly make up for this misalignment by buying Zeiss lenses instead of Canon to use with the 5Ds and 5Dsr cameras.
Nikon is doing a bit better than Canon in those terms, but can also be improved by using Zeiss lenses.

drmarty Loc: Pine City, NY

houdel wrote:

I'm going to suggest that the sales numbers are irrelevant to what information is being conveyed here. This is not a popularity contest, I believe it to be a quasi-objective ranking of camera capability. By way of analogy, there are probably more BIC lighters sold than any other brand, but that doesn't necessarily mean BIC is the "best".

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