Maybe it would be possible to do some lightroom training on the hog.

It's a bit tricky as it is a huge program and people will have questions which could bury the training. Maybe as a couple of dual threads one for questions one for training. Breaking it down into manageable chunks could be a challenge too. by module initially sounds good but i think in development sharpening and noise reduction is a topic in its self and lens corrections would be too. Mapping for example would be something that many people would not bother with.

Might not be too bad if the work gets split between several people.

WHAT? What the hell are you smoking? I did not quote you or anybody else. Those were my own words in response to your post:

"He's not alone....using Lightroom scares the " begeebies " out of me. If it was as easy to use and people have smooth sailing with the software as some make it sound why are there a gazillion training videos out there? I can understand training for photoshop, but all that training for a cataloging program!"

And I stand by those words.

The intelligence level on this thread is getting way to low for me. UNWATCHING now.

Greetings All,

I'm quitting Lightroom and never going back to it because of how LR uses one catalog to keep track of photos and changes to those photos.

A backup hard drive on my PC died. When I replaced it I made the bad mistake (because of LR cataloging) of putting the drive containing my photos in its location. Windows changed the drive letter designations so all my photos were now on D: drive instead of the previous E: drive. My LR catalog was located in the LR directory on the the new D: drive but thought that itself and all the photos and changes it had cataloged were still on E:.

With the change in drive letters ALL photos became invisible to LR.

Similar LR confusions on a smaller scale had happened to me in the past. Since all additions, deletions, changes to photo file names or relocations MUST BE MADE USING LIGHTROOM TO BE VISIBLE TO LIGHTROOM if anything is done with Windows that doesn't exactly follow LR requirements, imagine the difficulty in recovering files. In other words, your only tool to recover photos and changes is using an application, LR, where those same files are invisible to it. The recovery procedures are difficult with one or two directories but its almost impossible with thousands of files in hundreds of invisible directories and sub-directories.

I exactly (I thought) followed the LR procedures for recovering lost files. The first attempt with the first file didn't work, so I made a small change which I thought was correct and that seemed to work. But very quickly, the ONLY thing my one LR catalog remembered were a few files I successfully recovered, but none of the LR modifications were remembered for thousands of other photos.

I obviously did something wrong, but a photo processing system shouldn't be that fragile and hard to manage with something as critical as cataloging and keeping track of changes to photos.

Besides this catastrophic loss of so much work, LR can be a slow dog of a program. My PC isn't a speed demon but its pretty fast, with 12g of memory and a dedicated graphics card. I've literally waited 20 seconds for two comparison photos to come into focus using LR, a royal pain if a day's shoot had 250 photos!

I'm looking for another photo processing system that's powerful with a good work flow. Right now, Paintshop Pro X8 is top contender. Any suggestions will be very appreciated.

I welcome you to come over from the dark side where complex is called simple, where cataloging is thought to be necessary but it actually isn't if you use a common sense folder/file plan of your own, and where many users have their photos as messed up as yours are. Free yourself of bondage to dictatorial software control of your life! Spend more time on editing and less on importing and exporting.

Come on over to full-blown Photoshop CC where your Lightroom changes to your RAW files will likely all be recognized, where Bridge is like a super Windows Explorer on steroids and easy to understand, where it recognizes every time something is moved instantly and doesn't require a catalog to find it, and where you are provided a RAW converter (Camera RAW or ACR) that does everything Lightroom does and more, plus you get the best layer-based editing that doesn't need to be as complicated as the dark side people claim it is. $9.99 a month with automatic updates regularly in the background whenever there is one. Join up with the industry leader that PaintShop Pro is a clone of and escape your nightmares forever!

I'm not familiar with Paintshop Pro. If your comment about not being online to use it, I have to assume that you are referring to a common misunderstanding about Adobe's Creative Cloud. For some reason, many people believe that you have to be online to use the Creative Cloud version of Lightroom and Photoshop. That is FALSE!!! Both programs are installed on your computer and can be used without being on line. Now, at least once every couple of months, you have to be online for Adobe to make sure you have paid the monthly fee.

If you were not talking about Adobe Creative Cloud, I apologize. If you were talking about Adobe Creative Cloud, please get your facts straight.

I believe that
1. Most of Lightroom will cease to work, and
2. All of Photoshop will cease to work.

I am just guessing since I haven't experienced not paying the $10.00 per month.

The Adobe subscription model requires that you periodically have the Creative Cloud open while on the internet. By doing so, the expiration date on the software is extended. Exactly how this is done, I don't know.

Lightroom is an excellent program and is not impossible to learn. If you are used to working with the computer's operating system to organize your photos, move photos, delete photos, etc., and continue to do that, Lightroom will lose track of your photos. However, once you understand that you have to do all your photo management within Lightroom, it is an amazing piece of software. You can build any file structure you want for your photos, you just have to do it within Lightroom.

As for some of the previous postings about the number of instructional videos on Lightroom, I believe that is just representative of the popularity of the program.

Yes, there is a learning curve, just like any other software. That learning curve is a bit steeper with Lightroom because of all of its capability.

I happen to believe that anyone who is serious about photography and actually takes a significant number of photos, can really benefit by using Adobe's Creative Cloud Photography subscription. For $10 a month, you immediately (after you download it) have access to $800 or $900 worth of software, you will never have to pay anything additional for updates, and you will always have access to the latest iteration of the software as long as you continue your subscription.

Greetings All,

I'm quitting Lightroom and never going back to it because of how LR uses one catalog to keep track of photos and changes to those photos.

A backup hard drive on my PC died. When I replaced it I made the bad mistake (because of LR cataloging) of putting the drive containing my photos in its location. Windows changed the drive letter designations so all my photos were now on D: drive instead of the previous E: drive. My LR catalog was located in the LR directory on the the new D: drive but thought that itself and all the photos and changes it had cataloged were still on E:.

With the change in drive letters ALL photos became invisible to LR.

Similar LR confusions on a smaller scale had happened to me in the past. Since all additions, deletions, changes to photo file names or relocations MUST BE MADE USING LIGHTROOM TO BE VISIBLE TO LIGHTROOM if anything is done with Windows that doesn't exactly follow LR requirements, imagine the difficulty in recovering files. In other words, your only tool to recover photos and changes is using an application, LR, where those same files are invisible to it. The recovery procedures are difficult with one or two directories but its almost impossible with thousands of files in hundreds of invisible directories and sub-directories.

I exactly (I thought) followed the LR procedures for recovering lost files. The first attempt with the first file didn't work, so I made a small change which I thought was correct and that seemed to work. But very quickly, the ONLY thing my one LR catalog remembered were a few files I successfully recovered, but none of the LR modifications were remembered for thousands of other photos.

I obviously did something wrong, but a photo processing system shouldn't be that fragile and hard to manage with something as critical as cataloging and keeping track of changes to photos.

Besides this catastrophic loss of so much work, LR can be a slow dog of a program. My PC isn't a speed demon but its pretty fast, with 12g of memory and a dedicated graphics card. I've literally waited 20 seconds for two comparison photos to come into focus using LR, a royal pain if a day's shoot had 250 photos!

I'm looking for another photo processing system that's powerful with a good work flow. Right now, Paintshop Pro X8 is top contender. Any suggestions will be very appreciated.