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Aug 22, 2015 12:58:38   #
Weddingguy Loc: British Columbia - Canada
 
Bobspez wrote:
Seems like the law ought to handle it when drones are used improperly. Same as when people drive a car or boat irresponsibly, or use a weapon to hurt someone illegally, or steal someones' identity, or use a telephoto lens to take pictures of someone in their yard or house, or use a high power microphone to eves drop on the neighbors. No one suggested outlawing cars, boats, guns and knives, computers, telephoto lenses or microphones. Why should drones be singled out?


Now, now Bobspez . . . you know you are being far to logical . . . and unfortunately logic is far beyond most people.

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Aug 22, 2015 13:03:13   #
Armadillo Loc: Ventura, CA
 
Ka2azman wrote:
With respect, could you name me one incident that a non-military drone has hurt someone? Could you name me one event that a drone has brought down a plane? There are thousands of RC planes of all types: prop, jets, hilos that have been flying for ages, and I know of not one that has caused real problems.

Pilots can have visibility of 10-20-50 miles while flying - Oh I see a drone land all planes! Yet commercial planes can be within hundred of feet of each other and doesn't cause alarm. Yes they are under the direction of a tower controller but not all planes are. Private fields are everywhere and private planes fly the sky everyday without incident. Why is there no cry for "I see a private plane - land all planes?"
With respect, could you name me one incident that ... (show quote)


Ka2azman,

take a look at this report on National News.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Additional-Evacuations-Ordered-Lake-Fire-Grows-309664161.html

Michael G

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Aug 22, 2015 13:05:22   #
Dave R. Loc: PNW
 
SonnyE wrote:
So you are a "ground sluicer" when you are hunting birds or foul. :hunf:
Your analogy lacks knowledge of the shotgun.
And you sound like a fright-filled girl.
I have personally been "peppered" by falling shot. While it left dots on my hat and jacket, it did absolutely no harm to me.
I would suggest you leave the Huffington Post crap to the huffpo.

Some would argue the pellets possibly did affect you assuming this is true. That is also in question.

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Aug 22, 2015 13:10:43   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
gemlenz wrote:
It's a shame that drones are getting such a bad rap because of a few idiots that mis-use them. I saw now they have made actual shotgun shells just to shoot down drones. I saw one video where a photographer was flying one high up over a house fire and the firefighters started to hose it down. Fortunately he was able to steer it away and avoid damage. The drone was not causing any issue at the scene, unless there were choppers in the vicinity. That's a real problem with them.

Even birds don't like them, by evidence of the hawk video link I posted a couple weeks ago.

Now I heard last night on the news they are banning drones from covering the Pope's visit.

If people would just use common sense there would not be so many problems. I foresee the day when drones could replace helicopters for a lot of events (good and bad). It's just like any other technology, people will find a lot of good uses for it. Then there are those who just must do evil. OK I'm done ranting. Thanks for listening...peace.

I was considering getting one just for fun, but now, not so sure.
It's a shame that drones are getting such a bad ra... (show quote)


George, there are responsible owners out there, but far too many people who aren't.

Unfortunately, the good must suffer because of the bad.

If MY home or property were in danger because of a fire and the authorities couldn't get in to put it out because of some idiot flying a drone, I'd want them outlawed and the offenders arrested.

Living in America means there are people who think it is their right to do things regardless of the consequences... and that unfortunately, means we need rules and regulations to save the many from the idiotic few.

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Aug 22, 2015 13:59:17   #
SonnyE Loc: Communist California, USA
 
Dave R. wrote:
Some would argue the pellets possibly did affect you assuming this is true. That is also in question.


Oh it is true.
And it did affect me. I got my butt back to my rig (Toyota Landbruser) and went home.
It was Opening day of Pheasant season, and some of the "Cabela's" hunters I saw had NO business being afield, and less being armed.
A man and his wife in matching outfits were shooting (and missing) at a poor magpie. They had no idea what they were doing.
I flanked the idiots and got to the other side of the trees.
Burrap!
What the hell was that? When I looked at my tan felt cowboy hat, I saw the dots from the shot.

Point is, falling shot is far from lethal. Yes, it could put out your eye, if you are dumb enough to look up. But so could staring at the Sun.

PS: Believe or don't, I don't care. I was there. ;)

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Aug 22, 2015 14:15:28   #
MontanaTrace
 
One day in Tampa, I walked into the shop and found a copper clad .45 bullet lying on the work bench. Distinct lines of rifling. Strange. How'd that get there. Looked up. Yep, a hole in the metal roof above. Someone had discharged their pistol into the air. I wonder how far up it went before returning. Small dent in the work bench. If the metal roof had not slowed the bullet, what penetration power would it have?

Something under reported is the number of deaths and injuries caused from those that fire weapons in the air to celebrate.

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Aug 22, 2015 14:17:59   #
Seadog Loc: Western MA, USA
 
must of been a rogue drone. :roll:

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Aug 22, 2015 15:33:35   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
Seadog wrote:
I have to agree about some idiots using these things. Now some of these have flight restrictions built into their craft. No fly zones,height etc. Unfortunately just about everything can be misused. Maybe ban long range camera lenses (over 100mm) in populated area's. Ya know they can see in your windows and yards from a distance. (yes over exaggeration) As to the aircraft issue my thoughts somewhat are these drones are small and at a distance very hard to see so an aircraft coming into a landing the pilots are really busy with stuff. I know seeing drones at a distance in the sky from the ground is hard unless you know where to look. I did a demo for some people to make a point and they were surprised. All kept saying where is it where is it. I also have heard pilots that do aerial photography don't like them since it really cuts into their business. In most cases a drone can get the same shot for much cheaper. I agree safety is paramount with these and there should be some regulation but be careful what you wish for concerning gov't regulations. By the way our town just got one. They asked me to demo some of the uses and were excited.
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Aug 22, 2015 15:40:50   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
When I was in high school in the late 50's, they actually taught us logic as a subject. We also learned civics, government and ballroom dancing. I don't know what they are teaching these days, but I don't think logic has been part of the curriculum for the last half century or so.
Bob
Weddingguy wrote:
Now, now Bobspez . . . you know you are being far to logical . . . and unfortunately logic is far beyond most people.

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Aug 22, 2015 16:55:32   #
sundancer2004 Loc: oak island, nc
 
gemlenz wrote:
It's a shame that drones are getting such a bad rap because of a few idiots that mis-use them. I saw now they have made actual shotgun shells just to shoot down drones. I saw one video where a photographer was flying one high up over a house fire and the firefighters started to hose it down. Fortunately he was able to steer it away and avoid damage. The drone was not causing any issue at the scene, unless there were choppers in the vicinity. That's a real problem with them.

Even birds don't like them, by evidence of the hawk video link I posted a couple weeks ago.



Now I heard last night on the news they are banning drones from covering the Pope's visit.

If people would just use common sense there would not be so many problems. I foresee the day when drones could replace helicopters for a lot of events (good and bad). It's just like any other technology, people will find a lot of good uses for it. Then there are those who just must do evil. OK I'm done ranting. Thanks for listening...peace.

I was considering getting one just for fun, but now, not so sure.
It's a shame that drones are getting such a bad ra... (show quote)


Ahhhhh the magic words: Common Sense...............

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Aug 22, 2015 18:10:55   #
Dave R. Loc: PNW
 
SonnyE wrote:


PS: Believe or don't, I don't care. I was there. ;)


For once we are close to agreement. I don't believe nor do I care either. The only thing I'm sure of is your imagination is alive and well.
:roll:

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Aug 22, 2015 18:19:20   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
DrWilk wrote:
A few days ago the water bombers and helicopters working on a forestfire near me had to be grounded because of an idiot with a drone. Several houses went up but no one can say whether they would have with or without the waterbombers.


Grounding a tanker because of a 2 pound flying object is going just a little to far. A bird can take one down. Lets get real, I do not agree with them being up there in the way, but grounding Helicopters and tankers is a stretch.

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Aug 22, 2015 18:25:37   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
Actually, no it isn't. Because a person with poor enough judgment to think it is OK to fly drones in critical airspace during an emergency is not likely smart enough to keep it out of the way of that helicopter; something that would result in placing MORE lives and property at risk. :(

No... like it or not... people should be regulated in their use of potentially dangerous devices like drones.

If YOUR home or life were in danger because of some idiot with a joystick you would feel the same way.

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Aug 22, 2015 18:57:33   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
Violameister wrote:
It remains legal to fly my quadcopter non commercially. I have done some aerial photography for local farmers and artists at no charge to them, mainly because it is fun. I wish I had been able to help this effort.


The farmer was trying to do van Gogh's "Olive Trees" in field Art. Location is Eagan, Minnesota and story is in the Twin Cities Star Tribune, B section, page 1 for Sat 8-22.

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Aug 22, 2015 20:12:16   #
Ka2azman Loc: Tucson, Az
 
SonnyE wrote:
So you are a "ground sluicer" when you are hunting birds or foul. :hunf:
Your analogy lacks knowledge of the shotgun.
And you sound like a fright-filled girl.
I have personally been "peppered" by falling shot. While it left dots on my hat and jacket, it did absolutely no harm to me.
I would suggest you leave the Huffington Post crap to the huffpo.


Lets see, you are shooting at birds to kill them with those shotgun pellets, but the pellets fall to the ground as light as a feather, well not enough to kill you. I claim distance was your friend not the shot. You were luck that time, just don't get closer the next time or your superman hat will not stop the bleeding. The VP of the US shot a person in the face with pellets while clay shooting, it was not stopped by his hat.

I too had a hat (called a helmet) stop shrapnel from entering my gord; but mine pierced the steel helmet, not just left a mark on it. So this "fright-filled girl." has been on the receiving end of incoming fire from several types of bullets and explosives, several times.

By assuming you made an ass out of you 'not' me.

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