Lightroom question: I am familiar with the cropping tool and how to crop for printing different sizes. Is there a way to alter the original image so that a crop can include desired...

DirkWill Loc: Albuquerque, New Mexico

I am familiar with the cropping tool and how to crop for printing different sizes. Is there a way to alter the original image so that a crop can include desired parts of the image that without altering will be cropped out? For instance - a 4x6 landscape might include all desired content. Shifting to portrait crops out some of the desired content. Can the image be altered so that when cropped the portrait inclusion can be increased?

Had the image been originally made with a 35mm lens instead of a 85mm lens I think I could accomplish what I'm wanting to achieve...

Thanks for consideration...

lesdmd Loc: Middleton Wi via N.Y.C. & Cleveland

If I understand you question, the answer is "no". You could crop to a custom size and include what you want from the original image, but using a conventional size crop will eliminate viewable pixels outside the preset ratio.

catalint Loc: oslo

HI ,

I am familiar with the cropping tool, but one question I had in mind lately was how to make sure I crop correctly for different printing size. Can you point to a good description page ? My thoughts are that I pretty much never printed a photo I've made and never seen a result on paper from a cropped picture. So lets say i have a picture, which i cropped as i wanted. How do i make sure it's correct for a print size? For the records I am still searching and trying to figure it out, but i feel I missed something important theory regarding this.

edit:
forgot to add that my lates find was this table for cropping sizes. Just not exactly understand how I measure when under cropping:
640*424
960*640
1280*856
1920*1280
2560*1704
3200*2128
3840*2560
4480*2984
5120*3416
5760*3840
6000*4000

DirkWill Loc: Albuquerque, New Mexico

lesdmd wrote:

If I understand you question, the answer is "no". You could crop to a custom size and include what you want from the original image, but using a conventional size crop will eliminate viewable pixels outside the preset ratio.

Thanks, I did have trouble articulating the question"no" is the conclusion I anticipated but wanted to see if there were any possibilities I was not aware of.

lesdmd Loc: Middleton Wi via N.Y.C. & Cleveland

The crop tool sizes to a ratio rather than a specific size s 4 x 6 would fill a piece of photo paper any multiple of that size, even the size of a billboard assuming there are sufficient pixels in the original file. You could also print that same image on a different ratio size of paper (eg 8x10) but the image would not entirely fill the area, or would be automatically capped to fit the area. You could do custom size crop and print it on a larger size paper leaving a white border around your image.

DirkWill Loc: Albuquerque, New Mexico

lesdmd wrote:

The crop tool sizes to a ratio rather than a speci... (show quote)

You did understand my question - I'll think about that. Thanks again.

Searcher Loc: Kent, England

There is one possibility.

Open the Cropping tool, and also click on Lens Correction and choose the Manual Tab.

Now crop the image to the aspect ratio you want, then force fit the image by using the Scale and Aspect sliders in the Manual > Transform panel. Do not check the Constrain Crop box.

Doing this will distort the image and will fit it to different aspect ratios.

catalint Loc: oslo

Thanx for new input Lesdmd
So basically I have to think about the size of the print I want if I want to consider proper crop. Or else does not matter too much. I understand that my picture details would be poor if i crop a lot , and print big.

Please don't shoot me if I got it wrong. All my experience is self provided and never asked. Now since I am on this forum pages I dare to put those questions and fill in the small gaps i have.

Wahawk Loc: NE IA

DirkWill wrote:

I am familiar with the cropping tool and how to cr... (show quote)

To convert from a horizontal format to a vertical format and keep the "sky" portion at the top you would have to "stretch" the image vertically or "squish" it horizontally to fit your dimension and then you will have an image with ALL OF THE ELEMENTS but NOT IN THE CORRECT PROPORTIONS. See my "Resize Question" that apparently got moved to Photo Gallery for some odd reason!!

http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-328808-1.html

catalint Loc: oslo

Searcher wrote:

There is one possibility.

Open the Cropping tool, and also click on Lens Correction and choose the Manual Tab.

Now crop the image to the aspect ratio you want, then force fit the image by using the Scale and Aspect sliders in the Manual > Transform panel. Do not check the Constrain Crop box.

Doing this will distort the image and will fit it to different aspect ratios.

As a standard I always use Lens Correction and check for Enable Profile Correction and Remove Chromatic Aberration. Constrain crop always off when doing cropping. What i just discovered is that I can choose a predefined aspect size. And that is very helpful in my opinion. It give me and idea about how much i should crop for the different sizes.

I just gave it a try now :
first picture is the original crop i had.
Second is the crop using the aspect formats and chosen a 16x9. I think I'm staring to see the light :)

(Download)

catalint Loc: oslo

Wahawk wrote:

To convert from a horizontal format to a vertical format and keep the "sky" portion at the top you would have to "stretch" the image vertically or "squish" it horizontally to fit your dimension and then you will have an image with ALL OF THE ELEMENTS but NOT IN THE CORRECT PROPORTIONS. See my "Resize Question" that apparently got moved to Photo Gallery for some odd reason!!

http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-328808-1.html

On my way , thank you :)

Searcher Loc: Kent, England

Wahawk wrote:

To convert from a horizontal format to a vertical format and keep the "sky" portion at the top you would have to "stretch" the image vertically or "squish" it horizontally to fit your dimension and then you will have an image with ALL OF THE ELEMENTS but NOT IN THE CORRECT PROPORTIONS. See my "Resize Question" that apparently got moved to Photo Gallery for some odd reason!!

http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-328808-1.html

Would have been better posted in the Post Processing Section.

Wahawk Loc: NE IA

Searcher wrote:

Would have been better posted in the Post Processing Section.

Not really! NO post processing, only cropping and it was in response to a couple other crop/size topics in the GENERAL DISCUSSION area!!

Searcher Loc: Kent, England

Wahawk wrote:

Not really! NO post processing, only cropping and it was in response to a couple other crop/size topics in the GENERAL DISCUSSION area!!

I would just like to see all those discussions all together in PP - crops and sizing are the foundation of post processing.

Admin probably saw your three images and shifted the post. Its a pity because your thread does demonstrate that disproportionate resizing can work on some images.

catalint Loc: oslo

oh , sorry , I did't realize i made a mess.
I'm getting used to this. it was just a sample related the the cropping section. and then i followed the suggested link :)

I shall pay more attention