Canon 5DS owner question (Page 2): If I shot only portraits and landscapes, I'd switch to the 5DS. But I need high ISO, so my 5D3 works better for me.

Newsbob Loc: SF Bay Area

If I shot only portraits and landscapes, I'd switch to the 5DS. But I need high ISO, so my 5D3 works better for me.

JPL

rkb wrote:

I recently had my 5d3 stolen and want to get a replacement camera. I loved the 5D3 but would like feed back from people who have had a 5D3 and have purchased or used a 5DS. Would you buy the 5DS again or go with 5D3? Is there a downside to buying a 5DS to replace a 5D3? Thanks in advance for your help.

You might be better off buying neither the 5dm3 nor the 5DS, but should think about buying the new Sony A7r ii instead. I am seeing more and more hands on reviews stating that Canon lenses actually work better on this Sony camera (focuses faster and more accurate) with adapter than directly on Canon's own cameras. When you add that to a much better low light capabilities, lower price, lighter body, 4K video and all the other advantages this camera has then it is very likely that the Sony A7r ii and adapter for Canon glass could be your best choice. You will be able to use your Canon glass and at the same time have a better camera behind it then you can get from Canon.

Here is a link to the last of the reviews I have seen stating that Canon glass works better on Sony than Canon. http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2015/08/04/day-two-with-the-sony-a7rii-so-far-wow/

Here is another guy testing this camera with Canon lens on youtube, it works very well http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhNwZzS3di8

mdorn Loc: Portland, OR

JPL wrote:

Well, I have seen 2 videos from Tony, the one that you are referring to as a review of the Canon 5Ds and then a video that Jerry (I am sure you know him here on UHH) put in a post here some days ago where Tony Northrup is explaining how we need to recalculate our aperture settings with the crop factor of the sensor. I do not have a link to this video available, but I am sure you can dig it up from Tony's youtube collection.

It so happens that both of those videos are basically and mostly wrong so they have not earned Tony any respect from me. But I see he has lot more of videos, maybe there is something more useful in the rest of his videos. I have not checked. Maybe he has also written lot of books and done this and that, but it does not assure that everything he says or shows on his videos is correct. Nobody is perfect you know !! When people went out in space they could finally prove for everyone that the earth is not flat. Guys like Tony Northrup (specialists in earth and space science) had long before that written lot of stuff explaining that the earth was flat as a pancake and placed at the center of the universe, but they have later proven to be wrong. They did not make any videos about it though.

But regarding my wife, she is lovely :P If not for her I would sometimes really loose it over some of the crap here 8-) Have a nice day all of you!!

ps. I decided to help you out a bit and find some of this idiotic youtube videos from Tony Northrup.

Here is one where he is explaining how bad it is to use full frame lenses on crop bodies http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDbUIfB5YUc In this video he is indicating that he is ahead of Canon, Nikon, Leica and Zeiss in optical science.

And here is the one about the crop factor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5zN6NVx-hY
And when looking at his list of youtube videos I can see he has crop factor videos number 2,3 and 4 where is correcting himself.

I can give him thumbs up for correcting his mistakes, but that also makes it harder for me to understand why you and so many others totally believe in this guy who even himself admits that he is sometimes wrong about things. Actually he and me agree about this, so no need to slam me in the face for reminding you of it.
:wink:

Well, I have seen 2 videos from Tony, the one that... (show quote)

Hmm... well, I watched all the videos you referred to, and honestly, I don't see a huge problem---yes, he clarified things in follow-up videos, and maybe some of it can even be interpreted as mistakes, but my hat goes off to him for trying to explain this to non-experienced photographers (I think that is his primary audience). In the end, if you believed every single word he said, you wouldn't be far off, and your photography would not suffer a bit.

Of course, I don't hang on every word ONE person says. I don't think any prudent consumer does (maybe I'm wrong?). As far as me TOTALLY believing this guy... when and where did I say that? Perhaps this is why you have a problem with him? You assume a lot.

Regardless, this sounds like another Ken Rockwell scenario where if he says one or two things wrong, he's a quack that shouldn't be listened to or trusted. How dare he make so much money while misdirecting folks, right? Moreover, it seems that those who disagree with him want to "save" the poor misinformed inexperienced beginner from heeding his biased opinions. Why? People often make purchasing decision based on feelings and emotion rather than logic anyway. To be honest, I think a lot of camera and photography experts are just jealous. Of course, that's just my biased opinion.

mdorn Loc: Portland, OR

JPL wrote:

You might be better off buying neither the 5dm3 nor the 5DS, but should think about buying the new Sony A7r ii instead.

Well... I have to agree with you here JPL. So far, I'm really impressed with the Sony A7RII. In fact, another photographer that I follow (see I read more than from just one guy... ha ha) did his own unscientific testing. Here's the link to his blogpost:

http://www.donsmithblog.com/2015/08/05/sony-a7rii-have-we-achieved-human-vision/

BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA

mdorn wrote:

Well... I have to agree with you here JPL. So far, I'm really impressed with the Sony A7RII. In fact, another photographer that I follow (see I read more than from just one guy... ha ha) did his own unscientific testing. Here's the link to his blogpost:

http://www.donsmithblog.com/2015/08/05/sony-a7rii-have-we-achieved-human-vision/

I have to admit that, all other feelings and comments aside, I am very impressed with the Sony line of products. Jason Lanier is probably one of Sony's strongest advocates. Watch any of his videos on the reasons he uses Sony products and you cannot dismiss either the logic or the sincerity of his arguments. (As an aside, I do wish, however, that he would substitute "folks" for "guys".)

JPL

mdorn wrote:

Well... I have to agree with you here JPL. So far, I'm really impressed with the Sony A7RII. In fact, another photographer that I follow (see I read more than from just one guy... ha ha) did his own unscientific testing. Here's the link to his blogpost:

http://www.donsmithblog.com/2015/08/05/sony-a7rii-have-we-achieved-human-vision/

Now we are getting along better :thumbup: I like much better hands on testing of gear like this guy is doing, and the dynamic range seems to be better than in any other camera so far as he says. This new A7r ii is really very interesting and capable camera from what I have seen so far.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

mdorn wrote:

Well... I have to agree with you here JPL. So far, I'm really impressed with the Sony A7RII. In fact, another photographer that I follow (see I read more than from just one guy... ha ha) did his own unscientific testing. Here's the link to his blogpost:

http://www.donsmithblog.com/2015/08/05/sony-a7rii-have-we-achieved-human-vision/

Of course the original question states this is a Canon user and if they have a 5D series most likely has excellent Canon lenses.
So why settle for a Sony when the 5DSR has more quality and they are using some of the best optics available and at the cost of scrapping an excellent system that they already are into.

JPL

Architect1776 wrote:

Of course the original question states this is a Canon user and if they have a 5D series most likely has excellent Canon lenses.
So why settle for a Sony when the 5DSR has more quality and they are using some of the best optics available and at the cost of scrapping an excellent system that they already are into.

Yes, good question here. But actually the Sony seems to have better quality in most ways than the 5DsR, even when using Canon lenses. The only thing the 5DsR seems to have over the A7rii is more resolution, but the A7r ii seems to be better in every other way, including focusing with his excellent Canon lenses. So a guy who does not have a camera body any more is not scrapping his system by switching camera brands, he is just making his system better than he could do if he was buying another Canon body.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

JPL wrote:

Yes, good question here. But actually the Sony se... (show quote)

Your opinion only.

mdorn Loc: Portland, OR

Architect1776 wrote:

Your opinion only.

LOL. Do we really need to go there? Of course, these are all opinions, and probably biased ones at that.

Frankly, I'm getting a little tired of stating that everything I comment on is my opinion. Can't we just agree that unless we say this is FACT, these are all just opinions? Some opinions are more educated than others, but they are all just opinions.

I've been personally attacked a few times on this forum because of my tone. In some cases, I sounded a bit too authoritative or like a know-it-all. Perhaps I need to add to my signature that unless I say otherwise, it is my biased opinion. Just because I have a strong opinion, doesn't make it fact.

Anyway, sorry for the rant! I don't mean to direct this at you directly. I realize you were just trying to clarify that you aren't convinced---which is fine. Personally, I don't think there is a one camera fits all out there, but I do like the advancements mirrorless has made in the last few years. Just my opinion, of course. :-) Peace. -Mark

mdorn Loc: Portland, OR

JPL wrote:

Now we are getting along better :thumbup: I like much better hands on testing of gear like this guy is doing, and the dynamic range seems to be better than in any other camera so far as he says. This new A7r ii is really very interesting and capable camera from what I have seen so far.

We are getting along better because you are not bashing someone for being human or for trying to provide information to the best of his/her ability; you are making some good points about the Sony A7RII. However, I would like to see the test in one of your links done in a bit darker setting. My cellphone camera focuses fast in bright light too. Regardless, this is an amazing camera, and it really should be considered if the OP needs to replace something. Of course, like I said before, many decisions are made with emotion not logic. For all we know, the OP has already replaced his system with Nikon gear... ha ha! :-)

Newsbob Loc: SF Bay Area

I am kind of biased against using non-Sony lenses on the A7RII only because I think the necessity of an adapter adds bulk and potentially reduces aperture range. Plus, it adds another $350 or so to the overall cost.

mdorn Loc: Portland, OR

Newsbob wrote:

I am kind of biased against using non-Sony lenses on the A7RII only because I think the necessity of an adapter adds bulk and potentially reduces aperture range. Plus, it adds another $350 or so to the overall cost.

Yeah, I kinda agree with you. This is my primary concern as well. I hate adapters of any kind. It defeats the purpose of Sony's small compact size---even though it still has a smaller form factor. Although if Sony continues to improve, it's hard to ignore the adapter solution.

To be honest, I'm really disappointed with Canon. I think they should have come up with a better solution long ago. The 5DS is a step in the right direction, but geez, how long did it take? Nikon's D800 has been out since when...? March 2012? What was Canon's answer? The 5DMIII? Seriously?

Sorry, don't mean to offend Canon users (I am one myself), but the D800, D800E and now D810 are superior cameras to the 5DMIII. I know... a good camera does not a good photographer make, but talk about being a little slow with new product intros!

I really like what I've read and heard about the Sony A7RII, and if I thought I could become a better photographer by upgrading my current Canon 6D system, I would. Sadly, my limitations are not due to my equipment.

However, if I do upgrade, I will probably invest in Sony (Zeiss) glass and sell my Canon glass. Except for my 70-200L f/2.8. I can't imagine parting with this lens anytime soon. :-)

Lenscracker

Without giving you the pros and cons of Canon cameras I will answer your question directly. I own and use the 5D3, the 7D2, and the 5DSr. My hope was to trade in either the 5D3 or the 7D2 but I did not. I am keeping all three because each of these cameras has a unique ability that is not present on either of the other two. You will have to sort out exactly what camera capabilities are most important to you and make the difficult decision from there.

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

mdorn wrote:

br To be honest, I'm really disappointed with Can... (show quote)

Mark, sorry, but I'm not buying what JPL is selling!
I did not look at all the videos but the Bloke did NOT say that the Sony/adaptor focused faster than a Canon with Canon glass. He said that with that adaptor and using Canon lenses combination it focused the fasted! indicating over any other adaptors.
He shot some pics of a car going by but we never actually saw them. Only a real ROOKIE looks at the back of the camera and pronounces something in focus.
On an LCD, EVERYTHING looks in focus, no matter how FAR off it is. He would have to be tethered! Maybe I missed that!?

Don't worry, no one is offended. Not anybody that knows the D810 and the 5lll intimately.
Almost every test where the two cameras were tested side by side ALL gave the 5lll the better all-around shooter title. Yes, the 810 had/has more mp and more DR but that was NOT enough. I refer you to the side-by-side comparison done by http://wwwDigitalCameraWorld.com/D810vs5Dlll . and they use all the data from DXO. Almost all real test said the same thing.
The 810 came out to try and make the Nikon video on par with the 5lll. It did not but it was close.
Fortunately there is a lot more to a camera than just mp.

And mark, if you think you can't part with your 70-200, there are dozens of lenses like that. Not to mention the super fast lenses, like the f1.0 and the super teles!!!
SS