rkb Loc: State College, PA

I recently had my 5d3 stolen and want to get a replacement camera. I loved the 5D3 but would like feed back from people who have had a 5D3 and have purchased or used a 5DS. Would you buy the 5DS again or go with 5D3? Is there a downside to buying a 5DS to replace a 5D3? Thanks in advance for your help.

mdorn Loc: Portland, OR

Here's an interesting review if you are interested:

http://youtu.be/Ww6QGpryrLM

JPL

It is not at all interesting, because it is not a review. This guy is only speculating what the Canon 5Ds will be and how it will compare with other cameras, but he is not comparing anything. Just needed some attention by pretending comparing before others did. And this is not the first time he puts some idiotic videos on youtube, but it did surprise me that this time he said constantly all the time that he did not know what he was talking about.

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

rkb, I have not owned either.
But if you shoot a fair amount of sports or other very fast action I would stay with the 5lll or wait for the replacement.
If you are mostly a still photographer then by all means, if you can swing the extra money, go for the bigger mp! No down-sides worth mentioning that will make a real world difference. Go for it!! That's what I would do! ;-)
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mdorn Loc: Portland, OR

Very well... may the OP disregard my post then. Perhaps you can guide and direct him better. My apologies to the poster.

BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA

Thank you for your warning about Tony Northrup. Now is a good time to find out that he is a charlatan and that his 30+ books on technology and photography are worthless. It is hard to understand how some people are able to get away with generating followings such as his. I am so disappointed!

mdorn Loc: Portland, OR

I'm not biased, and I don't hold any loyalty to Northrup; however, I would like to know what it is specifically that you, and obviously others, don't like about him? I stumbled across his video on the 5DS, and although it was too soon to be thorough, he did highlight a few points that I had not thought of. Please don't answer by saying he is just a charlatan. It would be very helpful to identify very specific examples. Thanks, -M

BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA

I'm sorry if you thought I was criticizing Tony Northrup. My response was definitely tongue-in-cheek. While I do not always agree with Tony, I admire him greatly. His intellect is beyond question (I have a difficult time keeping up with him). His suppositions are sometimes questionable, but are always made, I believe, in good faith. He is not bound to any one manufacturer, although he definitely has his preferences. As a matter of fact, his inventory is quite eclectic.

The real issue in my response above is that someone with no credentials can come in and slam a guy with a huge following and 32 publications to his credit.

By the way, please note that the video in question was made in 02/2015, and the predictions Tony made were very accurate.

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

Mark, I happen to like TN. He is one of the few out there that can actually compare two competing cameras and brands and logically show the differences both good and bad using real world logic and using the data provided by DXO and show that the data numbers do not always bear out what they appear to be, in the real world. His reputation is quite good in the camera world.
And, going over how a camera might perform based purely on the data provided before a release is pretty doable since cameras are little more than mathematical electronic computer generated models anyway.
It's kind of like saying that two cars that weigh exactly the same but one has more HP, is probably gonna be faster factoring the known characteristics of the tires used and how previous models from the same company have performed previously!!
So comparisons can be done without actual testing.
Now if you'll just take back all that stuff you said about AA and we'll be square!!! :lol: :lol:
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mdorn Loc: Portland, OR

LOL. Regarding AA, I have no bias towards him. I admire his work, realistic or not. I'm just glad I was able to exit that discussion with my tongue intact. :-)

Regarding TN... I don't really have an opinion about him yet either, but like Mogul said, he voices his opinions in good faith (I believe). The other thing that caught my attention with him is that he welcomes anyone to challenge him with their own testing and/or findings. Whether that's all smoke and mirrors remains to be seen.

mdorn Loc: Portland, OR

Thanks for clarifying... I'm a little slow with the tongue-in-cheek thing. However, perhaps JPL can offer a few "idiotic videos" for me to judge for myself? I do agree that his wife seems a little ditzy, but he seems very respectful when correcting her. Just my observations.

JPL

Well, I have seen 2 videos from Tony, the one that you are referring to as a review of the Canon 5Ds and then a video that Jerry (I am sure you know him here on UHH) put in a post here some days ago where Tony Northrup is explaining how we need to recalculate our aperture settings with the crop factor of the sensor. I do not have a link to this video available, but I am sure you can dig it up from Tony's youtube collection.

It so happens that both of those videos are basically and mostly wrong so they have not earned Tony any respect from me. But I see he has lot more of videos, maybe there is something more useful in the rest of his videos. I have not checked. Maybe he has also written lot of books and done this and that, but it does not assure that everything he says or shows on his videos is correct. Nobody is perfect you know !! When people went out in space they could finally prove for everyone that the earth is not flat. Guys like Tony Northrup (specialists in earth and space science) had long before that written lot of stuff explaining that the earth was flat as a pancake and placed at the center of the universe, but they have later proven to be wrong. They did not make any videos about it though.

But regarding my wife, she is lovely :P If not for her I would sometimes really loose it over some of the crap here 8-) Have a nice day all of you!!



ps. I decided to help you out a bit and find some of this idiotic youtube videos from Tony Northrup.

Here is one where he is explaining how bad it is to use full frame lenses on crop bodies http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDbUIfB5YUc In this video he is indicating that he is ahead of Canon, Nikon, Leica and Zeiss in optical science.

And here is the one about the crop factor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5zN6NVx-hY
And when looking at his list of youtube videos I can see he has crop factor videos number 2,3 and 4 where is correcting himself.

I can give him thumbs up for correcting his mistakes, but that also makes it harder for me to understand why you and so many others totally believe in this guy who even himself admits that he is sometimes wrong about things. Actually he and me agree about this, so no need to slam me in the face for reminding you of it.
:wink:

JPL

When Coca Cola announces new versions of Coca Cola I do neither review them or preorder them in truckloads as it has been proven that the quality and popularity of the product will not be clear until the customers can taste it. Coca Cola has come up with lot of new variations but still it is the old stuff that is the most important of all their products.
Of course it is easier to take steps forward with new products of mechanical kind like cameras then tastecal products like cola. Still both are hard to review without a sample in your hand. :D :D

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

You are fortunate to be in the position of being able to afford either camera.
If you are not into high speed action and if video is not your forte I would by all means get the 5DSR from what I have studied. I am saving up for it but it will be a while until I have such funds.

amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA

You don't really have to own the cameras (yet) to be able to compare them to a large extent... Besides, very few people own the 5DS/5DS-R yet. Plus, what users there are have only just received and started to use the new cameras.

In many ways the 5DII and 5DS/5DS-R are more similar than they are different. They are essentially the same body, AF, viewfinder, power supplies, accessories and more. Of course, the sheer 50MP resolution of the 5DS is it's most obvious and notable difference (versus 22MP in 5DIII).

If you shoot low light a lot, stick with the 5DIII. It has has larger pixels and a less crowded sensor that make for lower image noise, wider dynamic range at high ISOs. It's available ISO range goes 3 stops higher, too (ISO 102400 vs ISO 12800). You'll have to be the judge whether or not those ultra high ISOs are actually usable, though. The 5DS/5FS-R are not as well geared for video, either.

The 5DS/5DS-R have a metering system upgrade... inheriting the 252-zone system used in 1DX, as opposed to the 65-zone in 5DIII and others.

5DIII is slightly faster shooting... with a wee bit less shutter lag and 6 fps vs 5 fps shooting speed. As you might expect, the 5DS models can buffer slightly fewer of their much large image files, before they need to pause to clear. The difference is 14 RAW files vs 18 RAW files.

If your work has had you seriously considering a medium format digital from Leaf/Mamiya or Hasselblad or Leica, then Canon has a bargain for you! If you need ultra high resolution for extremely large prints or other reasons, the 5DS/5DS-R may make sense. But you also will probably need to be geared up with bigger memory cards and hard drives as well as more powerful computer hardware to accommodate the more massive files. And Canon themselves has come up with a "recommended lens" list too... Lenses that they deem high enough quality to be used on the 50MP monsters.

Canon appears to have paid some close attention to making the new models quieter than their predecessors, too. That's a good thing in certain shooting situations!

If shooting under fluorescent or similar lighting, the new models have Flicker Sync technology (same as 7DII) to help with that.

I haven't been able to determine if the 5DS models have faster Dual Pixel Live View focus, like the 70D and 7DII do (but the 5DIII doesn't).

Like the crop sensor cameras with high density sensors, handholding with the 50MP cameras is likely to be a bit more challenging.... Might want to keep shutter speeds up slightly or use a tripod or monopod a bit more often.

The 5DS models also have enhanced bulb, time lapse and intervalometer features.

5DS versus 5DS-R is another question... mainly I think anyone shooting architecture or other manmade objects would be more inclined to use the 5DS, while someone shooting natural scenery where there is less likelihood of moiré issues, and wanting that last little bit of fine detail in their images, the "R" might be the camera for them.

Online reviews may or may not be helpful. I often read them anyway... Even reviewers I don't particularly care for and sometimes disagree with can bring out interesting points.

Regarding this comparison, check out:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Camera-Specifications.aspx?Camera=980&CameraComp=792 That site also has a more in-depth review of the new models.

Also:

http://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/5ds.htm

I think those are the two reviews are the most useful... so far.