Former staunch Atheist-LEE STROBEL The Case for a Creator Full documentary (Page 4): Does the Christian Bible discuss "an Intelligent Creator God"? This expression appears like a...

anotherview Loc: California

Does the Christian Bible discuss "an Intelligent Creator God"?

This expression appears like a production of modern times.

Racmanaz wrote:

Strong evidence leaves no doubt for those with a open and rational mind that there is an Intelligent Creator God.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajqH4y8G0MI

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

anotherview wrote:

Does the Christian Bible discuss "an Intelligent Creator God"?

This expression appears like a production of modern times.

Not sure what you are asking for, God's intelligence is evident and implied all throughout the bible. If God is the Designer then I would submit that He is Intelligent. :)

silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.

Racmanaz wrote:

Strong evidence leaves no doubt for those with a open and rational mind that there is an Intelligent Creator God.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajqH4y8G0MI

There is no such thing as "strong evidence" that leaves no doubt about intelligent design. This was a created movement to try to get religious material into public school text books. There are no scientific agencies that agree with this idea. intelligent design is just a hoax. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design_movement

silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.

Racmanaz wrote:

Not sure what you are asking for, God's intelligence is evident and implied all throughout the bible. If God is the Designer then I would submit that He is Intelligent. :)

Your really nuts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT5xKrqgpj8

silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.

Racmanaz wrote:

Rac- b This journalist knows more about science t... (show quote)

You are a real crackpot. Nothing but rac crap. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT5xKrqgpj8

James Shaw

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James Shaw wrote:
I think you are trying to convince yourself, by saying the same thing over and over again, about what you believe others to be. I doubt you know what you believe.

You go with your book of magic and superstition (Bible) and I shall go with rationality. Dream on wacko, The real world awaits you once you awaken, if that should ever happen.

Racmanaz wrote:

Not a chance, I have been convinced God exist as a... (show quote)

Rac, so many believe that a God exists, so you are not unique in that respect. Nothing wrong with that, either, as long as you know that it is just a belief.

My prayers are, that if a God should exist, then he/she/it will open all of our eyes so that we all see the world as it really is. Pretending is fun, Rac, and we all do it, but there is a rational world out here and you seem to be missing much of it big time. You need to let yourself out of la-la land every once in a while. However, reality may be too much for you to take and could just scare the pants off of you?

You attempt to predict the future is laughable. "One day your will........." (your words Rac). Sounds much like Bible prophecy. Christianity is always kicking the ball down the road, as it always refers to what is to come.

Better to listen to the weather person, Rac, on the evening news. Now, there is a real prophet. They are more and more accurate as time goes on, and not because they believe in an Intelligent Designer, but because of the science that is behind weather prediction.

James Shaw

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anotherview wrote:
Does the Christian Bible discuss "an Intelligent Creator God"?

This expression appears like a production of modern times.

Racmanaz wrote:

Not sure what you are asking for, God's intelligence is evident and implied all throughout the bible. If God is the Designer then I would submit that He is Intelligent. :)

Whatever may be "evident" to you Rac or whatever you wish to "submit" to all is not evident to all. Yours is just belief, and belief does not necessarily make so.

"If God is the designer" (your words Rac). It seems you are beginning to understand that God is the Intelligent Designer, the superstitious entity that you and others have used in the past as cover words to push you ID agenda, as if ID were something of a mysterious nature other that God.

anotherview Loc: California

So the expression appears as derived post Bible publication, not in the Bible itself.

This construction evidently serves as a counter to others who attack the belief of a supreme being as behind the natural order.

Racmanaz wrote:

Not sure what you are asking for, God's intelligence is evident and implied all throughout the bible. If God is the Designer then I would submit that He is Intelligent. :)

silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.

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James Shaw wrote:

A journalist, in the video, confuses science with superstition, much like Rac does repeatedly, but neither the journalist nor Rac know the difference between science and superstition.

Rac, the wacko, lost in la-la land, fails, but once again, at his attempt to fool rational minds with superstitious nonsense.

Rac, must NOT have been given the attention that normal little boys need when they are very young, as he seeks it here, continuously, in a most abnormal way.

No one buys your nonsense Rac. You are neither believable nor credible. You are to be pitied, Rac. Go back and ask your Intelligent Designer and design agents what to do next, as you haven't a clue what to do on your own.

Rac- This journalist knows more about science than you and I combined and he knows the difference between science and Intelligent design. You on the other hand know nothing about science and it's methods as you imply that you do on almost every post. You confuse the evidence of the theory of Intelligent Design with the implications of the evidence says Dr Steven Meyer, who by the way is much more intuned and Intelligent than both of us. it is YOU that confuse science with the hypothesis of the superstition of Darwinian evolution which is not science at all. Like I have said before, you have absolutely NO evidence that random chance can produce anything of complexity...it never happens, yet there is overwhelming evidence and PROOF that design and specified complexities come from intelligence, we see this ALL the time every day on this planet. I can provide millions if not billions of evidence of Intelligent designs and creations, you can come up with NO verifiable evidence that random chance has ever produced ANY design of complexities. Your ignorance precedes your intelligence.

You are pushing your random nonsense on others because you feel threatened by the Truth who is the Lord. Why you feel the necessity and urgency to troll ALL the threads I create reveals the weakness of your hypothesis. I don't feel the need to troll on all your random posts because there's no need for that because I'm not insecure about the Truth of God.

By the way, why speak for others? You continue to include all others in your attempt to belittle me....why not just say I don't convince you? You know what others think and feel?? Are you making yourself a god? I for one do not know if any minds are changed or not because of what I post, it's non of my business, it's not your business either. You are showing your extreme arrogance and is clouding your thought patterns. Have a blessed day James :)

A journalist, in the video, confuses science with ... (show quote)

And just who is pushing their random nonsense on others?? Just more rac crap. Here is the truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4r2J6Y5AqE

anotherview Loc: California

The proposal of Intelligent Design as an explanation of the natural order has been thoroughly debunked as pseudo-science grounded in religion.

The adherents of ID, however, cannot accept this outcome, and fanatically continue trying to propagate ID. They cannot succeed with their project in a society organized per rational principles.

silver wrote:

There is no such thing as "strong evidence" that leaves no doubt about intelligent design. This was a created movement to try to get religious material into public school text books. There are no scientific agencies that agree with this idea. intelligent design is just a hoax. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design_movement

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

anotherview wrote:

The proposal of Intelligent Design as an explanation of the natural order has been thoroughly debunked as pseudo-science grounded in religion.

The adherents of ID, however, cannot accept this outcome, and fanatically continue trying to propagate ID. They cannot succeed with their project in a society organized per rational principles.

You could not be more wrong, ID is gaining much popularity and ground in science and in public no matter what the proponents believe or say. I will post a debate between a panel of ID proponents vs Evolutionists proponents and you will see where the direction trajectory is swaying. But I noticed you use the phrase "explanation of the natural order", darwinian evolution can't even explain natural order and how it works, it can't even explain the origin of life or even where and how the information codes come from that are programmed into life...specifically in DNA and complex molecular machines. Darwinian evolution hypothesis is not even observable so it can not be science. :)

OldDoc Loc: New York

Racmanaz wrote:

You could not be more wrong, ID is gaining much po... (show quote)

Whew...that's a pretty broad misunderstanding of science. Can you see gravity? So I guess you had better hold on tight to the ground. How about radio waves? There goes communication, including cell phones. Don't even get me started on electrons, neutrons and positrons...there goes matter.

phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO

nakkh wrote:

Jesus didn't walk amongst us sinners trying to sell fake science.

According to the Pharisees of the time that is exactly what he did.

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

OldDoc wrote:

Whew...that's a pretty broad misunderstanding of science. Can you see gravity? So I guess you had better hold on tight to the ground. How about radio waves? There goes communication, including cell phones. Don't even get me started on electrons, neutrons and positrons...there goes matter.

Gravity, radio waves are observable and testable by it's effect in REAL time and it's not an assumption. Darwinian evolution can neither be observed directly nor indirectly, it's all based on imaginations and assumptions. We can't directly observe God either, but we can observe Him indirectly IN REAL TIME through specified complexity of life and His creation. We ALL observe the massive complexity of intelligent minds (humans) of creation and design everyday and everywhere we go. We can not observe ANY verifiable specified complexity coming from non intelligence anywhere at anytime....it just can't happen. There is evidence all around us that ONLY intelligence can produce specified complexities, you will never observe that from random chance...it's just pure nonsense. Non life can NOT produce life, never has happened and never will. Life begets life, non life begets non life, material matter can not produce complex non material information codes. Again, sorry there is no evidence that darwinian evolution exists. I hear it quite often from evolutionists that darwinian evolution is observable, it is not and YOU know that more than anyone in here.

anotherview Loc: California

Your view omits mention of Mendel's Laws of Inheritance and their part in support of the theory of evolution. Mendel arrived at his laws by testing and observation.

In addition, your view omits mention of genetic mutation and its role in the variation of species over time. This mutation in effect adds new information to the genetic code.

I have pointed out these two deficiencies before but you repeatedly ignore their effect as part of the theory of evolution.

From this history, I have concluded one cannot reason with you on the subject of evolution.

Have a good day.

Racmanaz wrote:

Gravity, radio waves are observable and testable b... (show quote)