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Jun 12, 2015 21:19:51   #
OldDoc Loc: New York
 
Racmanaz wrote:
away for a few days, so have fallen behind on this thread, but I felt that Rac's statement, above, needed factual rebuttal.

Your error, Rac, lies in your not understanding biological systematics. When we say that coelocanths are an extinct organism, the statement is based on the failure to find any members of the coelocanthiformes, which is a group of transitional species between fish and tetrapods. Notice, please, the plural of species in the previous sentence. There are at least 14 species of coelocanths (coelocanthiformes)known, but there are only 2 surviving today. The others went extinct. We do not find samples of the extant species in the fossil record, meaning that they might have made their appearance relatively recently as the group changed over many missions of years, that is, they evolved.

Your comments about Tiktalik also warrant rebuttal. Your assertions are made up of holed-cloth that you (or someone you choose to believe) have fabricated. There has been no scientific rebuttal of the putative role of Tiktalik as an example of a transitional form, and saying so is simply not true. If I have somehow missed scientific reports of this "fact" in my 40 years of teaching about evolution, please send me the references and I'll be glad to reconsider my opinion.

I don't expect you to change your mind in response to my comments - you are too deeply committed to a non-scientific world-view, and choose to believe non-scientists such as Kent Hovind over data and evidence. However, if your wild claims are allowed to remain unrebutted, others with more open minds might conclude that you are correct when, in fact, you are not.
away for a few days, so have fallen behind on this... (show quote)


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The fact the you said " "fact" in my 40 years of teaching about evolution, please send me the references and I'll be glad to reconsider my opinion." Shows you have the strong presuposition to naturalism and therefore will turn a blind eye to any other plausible theory that challenges the Darwinian evolution religion.

No, I have a very strong aversion to people making up facts to be presented as scientific fact. You made an assertion that I doubt, and responded to my respectful request for substantiation with an "ad hominem" response. Let's see the information behind your claim. I am open-minded, but not so open that my mind falls out onto the floor.

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Jun 12, 2015 21:55:29   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
Bangee5 wrote:
Yes, sadly like you, unintelligent.


HAHAHAHAHA you are funny.

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Jun 13, 2015 00:32:07   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
OldDoc wrote:
No, I have a very strong aversion to people making up facts to be presented as scientific fact. You made an assertion that I doubt, and responded to my respectful request for substantiation with an "ad hominem" response. Let's see the information behind your claim. I am open-minded, but not so open that my mind falls out onto the floor.


I respectively disagree you have a very strong aversion to people making up facts to be presented as scientific facts. If that were true you would not believe in Darwinian evolution as a scientific fact. Darwinian evolution is based on vivid imaginations initiated by assumptions of Darwinian evolution and the rejection that there could not be an Intelligent Designer. I was once a believer in darwinian evolution till I seriously looked at the difference between facts and assumptions, I saw how darwinians replace the word assumptions with facts. Now if there were what you called "overwhelming evidence" that Darwinian evolution was a fact, then why are many scientists starting to reject it? I guess you really don't have yo answer that, we could go on all year talking about this. You are correct, nobody in here who is paying attention are going to convince anyone one way or another. It doesn't do your side justice to get bent out of shape and start with the usual name calling and insults with every post they make on here. Although I would not classify you in the same group that does this, you have been largely polite with me most of the times...I guess it's because you are more mature than those that spew their disdain hatred. Maybe the rest will learn from your composure to be more civil. You and I have great disagreements, but at least we do it without disrespect...mostly lol.

By the way, welcome back :)

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Jun 13, 2015 01:10:38   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
silver wrote:


Ken Miller may face more embarrassing facts, Behe’s DBB vindicated

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/ken-miller-may-face-more-embarrassing-facts-behes-dbb-vindicated/

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Jun 13, 2015 02:47:57   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
Racmanaz wrote:
I respectively disagree you have a very strong aversion to people making up facts to be presented as scientific facts. If that were true you would not believe in Darwinian evolution as a scientific fact. Darwinian evolution is based on vivid imaginations initiated by assumptions of Darwinian evolution and the rejection that there could not be an Intelligent Designer. I was once a believer in darwinian evolution till I seriously looked at the difference between facts and assumptions, I saw how darwinians replace the word assumptions with facts. Now if there were what you called "overwhelming evidence" that Darwinian evolution was a fact, then why are many scientists starting to reject it? I guess you really don't have yo answer that, we could go on all year talking about this. You are correct, nobody in here who is paying attention are going to convince anyone one way or another. It doesn't do your side justice to get bent out of shape and start with the usual name calling and insults with every post they make on here. Although I would not classify you in the same group that does this, you have been largely polite with me most of the times...I guess it's because you are more mature than those that spew their disdain hatred. Maybe the rest will learn from your composure to be more civil. You and I have great disagreements, but at least we do it without disrespect...mostly lol.

By the way, welcome back :)
I respectively disagree you have a very strong ave... (show quote)


Rac, you are truly delusional. Your claim about scientists is coming right out of your rectum. Here is the truth but you dont care because it would destroy your little world to watch it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4r2J6Y5AqE

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Jun 13, 2015 02:49:04   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
Racmanaz wrote:


Just more rac crap.

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Jun 13, 2015 02:58:17   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
silver wrote:
Just more rac crap.


HAAAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAAAAAA Ken Miller embarrassed by Michael Behes scientific prediction lolol haaaahaahaaaaahhaaaaa more silvercrap ha!aaaaaaaaaaaa. ;)

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Jun 13, 2015 02:59:32   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
Racmanaz wrote:


Until you watch the video you are just an idiot commenting about something of which you know nothing. Your silly proof is just a post from another unintelligent design support society. You show your ignorance fully by this post. Watch this video and then try to comment. Of course you won't watch is and you will never, ever have any validity in any way. Keep up the lies, of course you are not very good at your lies. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4r2J6Y5AqE

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Jun 13, 2015 03:01:01   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
Racmanaz wrote:
HAAAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAAAAAA Ken Miller embarrassed by Michael Behes scientific prediction lolol haaaahaahaaaaahhaaaaa more silvercrap ha!aaaaaaaaaaaa. ;)


Rac, you are sick. Your little article is so full of crap, just more rac crap.

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Jun 13, 2015 03:06:59   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
silver wrote:
Rac, you are sick. Your little article is so full of crap, just more rac crap.


Lolololololol HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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Jun 13, 2015 04:00:53   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Lolololololol HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


I hear that Charles Manson is a huge follower of unintelligent design and he will be speaking at institutions regarding this issue. I also hear he wrote a book about it, "how to kill people and believe the universe was created by some guy, somewhere, somehow, maybe oh who cares anyway". Manson is a good as any of the other idiots you bring up.

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Jun 13, 2015 04:02:53   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Lolololololol HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


Hey rac, how about watching this video?? If you do god will come down and kiss your ass. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4r2J6Y5AqE

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Jun 13, 2015 04:11:52   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
silver wrote:
Hey rac, how about watching this video?? If you do god will come down and kiss your ass. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4r2J6Y5AqE


How about you read this lol?

Ken Miller may face more embarrassing facts, Behe’s DBB vindicated
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/ken-miller-may-face-more-embarrassing-facts-behes-dbb-vindicated/

LOLOLOOOL HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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Jun 13, 2015 04:27:02   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
Racmanaz wrote:
How about you read this lol?

Ken Miller may face more embarrassing facts, Behe’s DBB vindicated
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/ken-miller-may-face-more-embarrassing-facts-behes-dbb-vindicated/

LOLOLOOOL HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


Well, I looked at your little presentation and as usual it is meaningless. Now, how about you watch my video? Of course you will say its all lies, a lie by you, and you are lying because you have not seen the video. You just slither out of any real confrontation because you are just lying to everybody. Chttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4r2J6Y5AqEome on little boy, watch this video...

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Jun 13, 2015 04:30:56   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
silver wrote:
Well, I looked at your little presentation and as usual it is meaningless. Now, how about you watch my video? Of course you will say its all lies, a lie by you, and you are lying because you have not seen the video. You just slither out of any real confrontation because you are just lying to everybody. Chttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4r2J6Y5AqEome on little boy, watch this video...


LOLOOLOOL HAAAAAAAAAAA you didn't read it LOLOOL... Behe shamed your little god Ken Miller LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. As intelligent as Ken Miller is....he got it wrong LOLOLOL

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