Ugly Hedgehog - Photography Forum
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Main Photography Discussion
How do they get those bird pictures to look so good?
Page <<first <prev 7 of 10 next> last>>
Jun 10, 2015 12:43:16   #
jteee Loc: Montana
 
You have sparked a really informative thread. I have been practicing with birds for about two years, and still have a long way to go. Using the Canon 6D and Sigma 150-500 has produced a few good photos, but I agree that technical knowledge, and the best gear you can afford will improve your success ratio. All of you that go handheld are obviously much more skilled than I, as my success ratio with my setup is pretty low handheld. Best results have come from tripod, and remote shutter release. Many bird photographers also recommend Aperture priority which allows for quicker exposure selection, which is what I use exclusively. It sure is fun, no matter how you go about it. Now if I could come up with the $7500 for that 500 f4 lens just think how good I could become.


(Download)

Reply
Jun 10, 2015 12:45:45   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
jteee wrote:
You have sparked a really informative thread. I have been practicing with birds for about two years, and still have a long way to go. Using the Canon 6D and Sigma 150-500 has produced a few good photos, but I agree that technical knowledge, and the best gear you can afford will improve your success ratio. All of you that go handheld are obviously much more skilled than I, as my success ratio with my setup is pretty low handheld. Best results have come from tripod, and remote shutter release. Many bird photographers also recommend Aperture priority which allows for quicker exposure selection, which is what I use exclusively. It sure is fun, no matter how you go about it. Now if I could come up with the $7500 for that 500 f4 lens just think how good I could become.
You have sparked a really informative thread. I h... (show quote)


Love the mood in this shot - and I paid less than that for my 600mm F4 used.

Reply
Jun 10, 2015 13:00:49   #
ptcanon3ti Loc: NJ
 
jteee wrote:
You have sparked a really informative thread. I have been practicing with birds for about two years, and still have a long way to go. Using the Canon 6D and Sigma 150-500 has produced a few good photos, but I agree that technical knowledge, and the best gear you can afford will improve your success ratio. All of you that go handheld are obviously much more skilled than I, as my success ratio with my setup is pretty low handheld. Best results have come from tripod, and remote shutter release. Many bird photographers also recommend Aperture priority which allows for quicker exposure selection, which is what I use exclusively. It sure is fun, no matter how you go about it. Now if I could come up with the $7500 for that 500 f4 lens just think how good I could become.
You have sparked a really informative thread. I h... (show quote)


That's a beautiful shot of a beautiful bird.

I need to ask a question:
How does aperture priority work with regard to bird photography? I understand what the modes do, therefore selecting your aperture and allowing the camera to choose your shutter speed...and iso if you've selected auto iso.

So.... In an activity, such as bird photography, where a fast shutter speed is needed (if not mandatory), how does guaranteeing an aperture, not a shutter speed, benefit?

Reply
 
 
Jun 10, 2015 13:05:47   #
CraigFair Loc: Santa Maria, CA.
 
Greenguy33 wrote:
As a member of a few bird and wildlife pages on Facebook, I am amazed by the sharpness and quality of some of the images.
I have been trying to take photos like that, but I am not there yet.
Can anyone give me any tips? I think that sometimes I over process images in order to compensate for the poor out-of-the-camera image.
Are there any good websites or tutorials? Can you recommend some advanced books?

With your Nikon D800 and Tamron 150-600mm Lens you have all the quality equipment you need.
I can not say use XYZ settings because each shot is different.
I do use Manual Settings, with the lowest ISO I can get away with.
I can tell you that I do focus on the eyes and I am pretty consistent with that.
For example, your Dragonfly shot, the focus is on the wings and not the Eye.
I shoot lots of shots and hope for 1 out of 10 to be a keeper worth processing.
Craig

Reply
Jun 10, 2015 13:07:11   #
DerrickCurtis Loc: Trenton, Ontario
 
Capn_Dave wrote:
A couple of tips I have picked up over the years.
Put your camera on manual and set the ISO to auto.
One of the biggest hurdles to overcome when shooting with a telephoto lens is camera shake – softness introduced by not being able to hold the camera steady for the duration of the exposure. One of the easiest ways to overcome this is to make sure that the shutter speed you select is faster than the reciprocal of the focal length. For example, in order to minimize the effect of camera shake with a 300 mm lens, a shutter speed faster than 1/300th second is recommended.
Don't forget to take the crop factor of your sensor into consideration.

Shutter speed selection, as mentioned above, was all about considering shutter speed in relation to freezing motion. Aperture selection, however, is two-fold:

a) Image softness wide open – this is generally a rule for all but the top of the range telephoto lenses, but shooting at the widest aperture (smallest f/ number) your lens allows will often result in image softness. Therefore, if you choose a slightly smaller aperture, e.g. from f/5.6 to 6.3 or 7.1 (known as stopping down) you will minimize this effect and see an increase in the sharpness of the resulting images.

b) Ensuring you have enough depth of field – a key component of wildlife and action photography is depth of field. Often, you shoot as wide an aperture (small f/ number) as possible, to try and isolate the subject and give a soft diffuse background. However, at long focal lengths, with a close subject, the depth of field (i.e. the region of the image which will be captured in sharp focus) can be as small as a few millimetres, meaning that tiny errors in focusing accuracy will mean that the crucial part of your wildlife shot that needed to be in focus, will be soft. There are plenty of mobile apps or websites that help you calculate the depth of field for your given camera, aperture and focal length, so make sure you have an awareness how small an aperture you actually need in order have enough depth of field.
Praying helps also.
A couple of tips I have picked up over the years. ... (show quote)


@Capn_Dave: I've been reading this forum for several years, usually staying in the background, but sometimes putting in the odd photo. I just wanted to let you know I appreciate your answer. It's nice when someone takes the time to provide a real answer rather than just saying, "go read his link". THANK YOU...D'

Reply
Jun 10, 2015 13:09:54   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
ptcanon3ti wrote:
That's a beautiful shot of a beautiful bird.

I need to ask a question:
How does aperture priority work with regard to bird photography? I understand what the modes do, therefore selecting your aperture and allowing the camera to choose your shutter speed...and iso if you've selected auto iso.

So.... In an activity, such as bird photography, where a fast shutter speed is needed (if not mandatory), how does guaranteeing an aperture, not a shutter speed, benefit?


This is a subject of much controversy ......

Reply
Jun 10, 2015 13:11:57   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
ptcanon3ti wrote:
That's a beautiful shot of a beautiful bird.

I need to ask a question:
How does aperture priority work with regard to bird photography? I understand what the modes do, therefore selecting your aperture and allowing the camera to choose your shutter speed...and iso if you've selected auto iso.

So.... In an activity, such as bird photography, where a fast shutter speed is needed (if not mandatory), how does guaranteeing an aperture, not a shutter speed, benefit?


Best approach is to avoid the "set it and forget it" mentality. Have you ever watched pros at a sporting event, or at a popular wildlife venue? Their hands are all over the camera, constantly adjusting shutter and ISO manually, as well as making fine focus adjustments. Most of the time they set the aperture and leave it alone, however. But it is quite a dance. Given the narrow margin of error on many types of birds with bright plumage, setting the camera to auto anything almost ensures blown highlights.

Reply
 
 
Jun 10, 2015 13:14:09   #
jteee Loc: Montana
 
Gene51 wrote:
Love the mood in this shot - and I paid less than that for my 600mm F4 used.

Thanks for the compliment. I have my eye on a used 600 as well, hope I can find enough pennies quick enough...

Reply
Jun 10, 2015 13:23:29   #
jteee Loc: Montana
 
ptcanon3ti wrote:
That's a beautiful shot of a beautiful bird.

I need to ask a question:
How does aperture priority work with regard to bird photography? I understand what the modes do, therefore selecting your aperture and allowing the camera to choose your shutter speed...and iso if you've selected auto iso.

So.... In an activity, such as bird photography, where a fast shutter speed is needed (if not mandatory), how does guaranteeing an aperture, not a shutter speed, benefit?


I should clarify, as your question is valid. When set up in a blind, or other stationary position, you can evaluate the light (assuming it is relatively constant), and select the most suitable aperture which will give the best shutter speed and DOF. On a tripod, then it is just a matter of focus and shoot, and your shutter speed will be (for the most part) where you want it to be. This is how I predominantly operate. However, as you stated, for BIF, many do use Shutter Priority with auto ISO (as I have as well). I just don't have the experience with BIF yet. Sorry, I should have stated that more clearly in my post.

Reply
Jun 10, 2015 13:28:53   #
Karl Shuffler Loc: Weinert, Texas
 
Sharpness depends on lighting as well. Shadow lighting will dampen sharpness.



Reply
Jun 10, 2015 13:29:41   #
AP Loc: Massachusetts
 
Greenguy33 wrote:
As a member of a few bird and wildlife pages on Facebook, I am amazed by the sharpness and quality of some of the images.
I have been trying to take photos like that, but I am not there yet.
Can anyone give me any tips? I think that sometimes I over process images in order to compensate for the poor out-of-the-camera image.
Are there any good websites or tutorials? Can you recommend some advanced books?


Green Guy 33, I do not photograph birds that often, but I like to make a capture that might have something to say, you know, story telling.

There are things to be aware of in the making of a photograph. Knowing how to use your equipment and placing the proper settings is a good place to start.

There are three things in the making of a photograph. When your eye is in the view finder of your camera, that's the first. The second is, using your brain to concentrate on your subject. Third, is your shutter finger. Your brain is telling you something is happening, snape that shutter. If you wait just one second, you will miss your shot and it will be gone forever!

It's not as easy as one thinks. You have to have high concentration, only those three things as mentioned above work perfectly well together. Just practice and practice, and know what it takes to freeze that capture, and you'll make that decisive moment.

Check out these three inclosed moments. They are photo labeled with all settings used. These bird photos are tougher in the making than a bird sitting on a branch. AP

Panasonic GX-7 ISO 4000 w/Olumpus 12-40mm at 40mm = 80mm on 4/3rds format at f2.8 & 1/1,300sec - overcast day after 6:00pm
Panasonic GX-7 ISO 4000 w/Olumpus 12-40mm at 40mm ...
(Download)

Panasonic GX-7 ISO 4000 w/Olumpus 12-40mm at 40mm=80mm on 4/3rds formet at f2.8 & 1/1,300sec - overcast day after 6:00pm
Panasonic GX-7 ISO 4000 w/Olumpus 12-40mm at 40mm=...
(Download)

Olympus E5 wOlympus/70-300mm ISO 400 - at 300mm=600mm on 4/3rds format at f5.6 1/2000sec
Olympus E5 wOlympus/70-300mm ISO 400 - at 300mm=60...
(Download)

Reply
 
 
Jun 10, 2015 14:12:04   #
Capn_Dave
 
DerrickCurtis wrote:
@Capn_Dave: I've been reading this forum for several years, usually staying in the background, but sometimes putting in the odd photo. I just wanted to let you know I appreciate your answer. It's nice when someone takes the time to provide a real answer rather than just saying, "go read his link". THANK YOU...D'


Thank you Derrick, One of my things is I teach people photography. I try to be as informative and precise as possible when given the time.

Thanks again
Dave

Reply
Jun 10, 2015 14:57:18   #
woodweasel Loc: bellingham Wa
 
Along with the grest equipment ideas. Always focus on the eye's. &#128077;

Reply
Jun 10, 2015 15:22:11   #
wteffey Loc: Ocala, FL USA
 
Gene51 wrote:
Not at all, but imagine how much better these shots would have been if you and a better camera and lens. You obviously have the skill set to get the shot.

Everyone should aspire to improve - and if in the range of aspiration there is a new piece of gear or two that has to be purchased, that's ok. based on these images it does seem as if your gear is holding you back.


Guess I'll have to take up Scrabble!

Reply
Jun 10, 2015 15:23:22   #
ldef Loc: Chicago
 
ptcanon3ti wrote:
That's a beautiful shot of a beautiful bird.

I need to ask a question:
How does aperture priority work with regard to bird photography? I understand what the modes do, therefore selecting your aperture and allowing the camera to choose your shutter speed...and iso if you've selected auto iso.

So.... In an activity, such as bird photography, where a fast shutter speed is needed (if not mandatory), how does guaranteeing an aperture, not a shutter speed, benefit?


I usually shoot A-priority, but there are certain situations when I feel I need to control shutter speed to get sharpness, even if there is no movement. Tripods are hugely critical for really long shots but not always available. I find myself hand holding. I take what I can get and try to work out in PP.

Reply
Page <<first <prev 7 of 10 next> last>>
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Main Photography Discussion
UglyHedgehog.com - Forum
Copyright 2011-2024 Ugly Hedgehog, Inc.