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Jun 7, 2015 17:04:38   #
georgevedwards Loc: Essex, Maryland.
 
Good point about upload speed. Dropbox takes me hours, overnight sometimes, to upload a batch of negatives with even their small limit of free storage.
Gene51 wrote:
The best archival storage is a quality external hard drive - not the $90, 4 TB junk that you see all over the place. Buy a fan-vented enclosure (Rosewill is a decent brand)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817173042

And put in a Western Digital Black, or RE drive - these have 5 yr warranties and excellent overnight swap service if you develop a problem with them.

Not sure what you mean you are backing up your important work to "Disk" - if you mean DVD or BluRay, then you are no better off than with a cheap drive. "Burnable" can suffer "disk rot" in as little as 5 years, though 7 to 10 is more common.

There is another type of disk - the M-Disk - that is intended for archival storage, and is estimated to last 1000 years or more. I don't expect to be around that long. :)

Did the drives actually fail? Sounds like an interface problem, and it is quite possible that the drives are recoverable. I would bring them to Apple and ask if the drives are readable. Or a PC repair guy and ask them to copy the contents to a new drive.

As far as cloud storage in general is concerned - it is a reasonable approach as long as you have a fast internet connection. Even with a 25 mpbs upload capability, it could take weeks to upload a Tb of files.
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Jun 7, 2015 17:08:25   #
georgevedwards Loc: Essex, Maryland.
 
My problem was my Mac aged, it had one shutdown or slowdown after another and finally refused to recognize my 2 external hardrives. I had a PC too and found that better for most usuage as it was more universal, Mac better mainly for Graphics, which as an artist is the main thing with me, but I just couldn't afford to keep the Mac upgraded. I took the external drives to a shop and they said they were fine. But in Mac format. It would cost me a couple hundred to transfer them to compatible PC.
selmslie wrote:
I agree, but a single external drive can still fail. You are better off with at least two separate drives each holding identical information.

I use three - two on the computer and one in my safe deposit at the bank to cover the worst possible scenario. I rotate the one at the bank out on a monthly basis so I will never lose more than a month's data.

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Jun 7, 2015 17:15:00   #
georgevedwards Loc: Essex, Maryland.
 
Yes, serious photographers like myself would never go for a free service that steal their images and sell them to a third party and do it legally. Still, like dropbox, a big step in the right direction. I fear even showing my "good stuff" at all on the internet for I know if it can be seen it can be taken. But a photographer has to show some good stuff online to make money these days. Keep them as small and lo res as possible though. I even fear posting something on Facebook and Google+, but viewers are somewhat limited, Flicker though I have head numerous stories of photos just taken and used commercially with no acknowledgement or compensation.
jerryc41 wrote:
Not true. Every online service uses your info somehow, but "any way they see fit" is a bit of a stretch.

http://thenextweb.com/apps/2015/06/05/im-totally-and-irrationally-in-love-with-google-photos/

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Jun 7, 2015 17:17:40   #
georgevedwards Loc: Essex, Maryland.
 
I beg to disagree. The world itself is free, essentially. It is companies with governments and big guns who take it and put a price on it. It WAS NOT ceated that way. The internet? Open source is free. More power to it.
GENorkus wrote:
Sound of future things? One cloud source send me a notice, they are stopping all free cloud accounts which I didn't use in the 1st place.

I'm sure the big guns will be around for a while but remember that whoever it is, they want your money somewhere, somehow.

Nothing is "free" in this world.

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Jun 7, 2015 17:59:09   #
texasdan78070 Loc: Texas Hill Country
 
Gene51 wrote:
The best archival storage is a quality external hard drive - not the $90, 4 TB junk that you see all over the place. Buy a fan-vented enclosure (Rosewill is a decent brand)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817173042

And put in a Western Digital Black, or RE drive - these have 5 yr warranties and excellent overnight swap service if you develop a problem with them.

Not sure what you mean you are backing up your important work to "Disk" - if you mean DVD or BluRay, then you are no better off than with a cheap drive. "Burnable" can suffer "disk rot" in as little as 5 years, though 7 to 10 is more common.

There is another type of disk - the M-Disk - that is intended for archival storage, and is estimated to last 1000 years or more. I don't expect to be around that long. :)

Did the drives actually fail? Sounds like an interface problem, and it is quite possible that the drives are recoverable. I would bring them to Apple and ask if the drives are readable. Or a PC repair guy and ask them to copy the contents to a new drive.

As far as cloud storage in general is concerned - it is a reasonable approach as long as you have a fast internet connection. Even with a 25 mpbs upload capability, it could take weeks to upload a Tb of files.
The best archival storage is a quality external ha... (show quote)


If you don't mind me asking, the backup says external, but there's a bracket that appears to be for mounting to the computer. So is it external or internal?

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Jun 7, 2015 18:05:53   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
Picdude wrote:
There are some caveats to this. I believe you are limited to 16M/image, which is fine for jpeg but a bit low for RAW and real low for a lot of TIFF images. You can upgrade the storage to store larger images but now you're back to a monthly fee.


This is what I had heard too. Its not the JPGs that I worry about storage space. It's the RAWs and TIFFs.

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Jun 7, 2015 23:10:29   #
Mojaveflyer Loc: Denver, CO
 
I took Adobe up on their offer of 2 GB to share pictures because I bought Photoshop Elements... Until they changed their policy and limited the access to just me and no one else could see the pictures. I'm still angry at Adobe for that stunt... I would take any offer like that with a major grain of salt!

GENorkus wrote:
Sound of future things? One cloud source send me a notice, they are stopping all free cloud accounts which I didn't use in the 1st place.

I'm sure the big guns will be around for a while but remember that whoever it is, they want your money somewhere, somehow.

Nothing is "free" in this world.

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Jun 8, 2015 03:01:08   #
georgevedwards Loc: Essex, Maryland.
 
Time will tell if it really is unlimited as first reported. At least after reading all the comments we know what to look out for. I am getting the feeling that the general reaction is "If it sounds to good to be true, there is a price tag on it somewhere" the present day version of "If it sounds too good to be true it usually is" The article did say and gave detailed evidence that Google had the space and technology to do it. As usual I am just agnostic: skeptical but possible, always looking for the best hope but being realistic. PS: Google does seem to have unlimited storage space for emails... they have that as a free service and have been expanding the capacity continuosly, I have used it for years now successfully, no flys in the ointment there. Ok, somebody will find some.
JimH123 wrote:
This is what I had heard too. Its not the JPGs that I worry about storage space. It's the RAWs and TIFFs.

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Jun 8, 2015 21:18:42   #
bibsthecat Loc: Cold Spring MN
 
Gollum wrote:
This link was posted in Chit-Chat a while back.

http://flip.it/ELAVz

If I read it right, google does have the right to use your data as they see fit.


I read it the same way. I think I will stay away for now.

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Jun 8, 2015 23:07:20   #
Basil Loc: New Mexico
 
selmslie wrote:
I agree, but a single external drive can still fail. You are better off with at least two separate drives each holding identical information.

I use three - two on the computer and one in my safe deposit at the bank to cover the worst possible scenario. I rotate the one at the bank out on a monthly basis so I will never lose more than a month's data.


This is what I use:

http://www.amazon.com/Cloud-Mirror-2-bay-Personal-Storage/dp/B00ITI054G/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1433819222&sr=8-2&keywords=wd+my+cloud+mirror

And I back THAT up weekly to a fireproof iOSafe drive:

http://www.amazon.com/Solo-3-5-External-Hard-Drive/dp/B00AIY9658/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1433819273&sr=8-1&keywords=iosafe+solo+g3

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Jun 9, 2015 01:40:16   #
georgevedwards Loc: Essex, Maryland.
 
That was a 2014 document. I would like to see the current doc that goes with the new unlimited service. It may or may not be the same. I understand everyones skepticism, but it seems like everyone is afraid their photos are the value of a Mona Lisa or something, just waiting to be ripped off to make oodles of cash for Google and the photographer getting nothing. The creative alteration clause for instance seems to be directed to the business listings on google maps, which may not be possible without it. I am sure we should be grateful for that free advertising service for our business. Seeing the unanimous disapproval by photographers here I wonder about services like flicker which not only store like google (which seems private enough for me) which show your work to the world, according to us they must be getting ripped off like crazy...??? I don't think the Google unlimited storage means that anyone can go in and fish, your would need to provide the viewer permission to download. But I have to admit I so far have not had time to investigate directly the Google system. But again, all the responses have given me the intelligence to watch out for pitfalls. I would however like to hear a good positive rebuttal argument (at least just for debate purposes) by someone who has tried it, if it is in operation yet. Free unlimited storage should have some good. (No! No! Please charge me money! This is not right! It is UnAmerican!)
bibsthecat wrote:
I read it the same way. I think I will stay away for now.

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Jun 9, 2015 01:52:52   #
georgevedwards Loc: Essex, Maryland.
 
Maybe they did that in response to a bunch of UHH'ers who complained about not having their work "protected" but "up for grabs", so they made it like a vault. Most of the negative arguments here are about others seeing and stealing your work because it is too open(In this case maybe it just Google saying it is reserving the right to use your photos. I expect this is a good argument and Google will be addressing that issue... maybe). I would think something that gives a privacy clause would make many users happy. I know that some sites allow viewing but no downloading. It would seem the technology would be possible for this, but maybe there is some reason that it is an expensive technology that is not cost effective for a free product. (There is that darn 4 letter dirty word again: Free)
Mojaveflyer wrote:
I took Adobe up on their offer of 2 GB to share pictures because I bought Photoshop Elements... Until they changed their policy and limited the access to just me and no one else could see the pictures. I'm still angry at Adobe for that stunt... I would take any offer like that with a major grain of salt!

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