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Apr 11, 2015 07:21:30   #
accuseal Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
Kuzano wrote:
Since I appear to be the first poster, I am going to partially give you input on a couple of the issues you ask about.

Well, I was when I started typing

First, "small town it the mountains is a red flag". How far is it to the nearest service center for MAC? Does your IT guy not work on MAC? That would not be surprising, since the market for MAC is so small.

Know this, MAC (Apple) has never exceeded 10% of the personal computer market in the United States, perhaps worldwide. The common retort is that MACs don't need service so why worry.

That may have been true when MAC parts were proprietary. However in the last decade MAC's are pretty much built with the same parts off the same shelves as other PC's, Windows or other.

Ball park, tough to answer because it is so much based on configuration as you are finding out. I would set the MAC/PC question aside until you know what you need in the computer. That's a much better approach. Since the parts are pretty much the same, it will be to your advantage to determine configuration for the hardware. The common answer to that is the fastest CPU you can afford (hopefully Intel i7 or comparable), the biggest hard drive you can afford and as much RAM as the computer will hold up to the amount your can afford... (that didn't help did it)

Then you can get back to the "ball park" price per operating system. My answer on that would be that the MAC will cost you 40% more than a similarly performing Windows or other OS PC.

example.... first pick the performance. Then if a $750 PC gives you the performance, you would likely spend a bit over a $1000 to get that performance in a MAC.

MACs and Viruses... Myth for the most part. Even Apple says be sure to run security protection on your MAC.

The only reason you don't often hear about MAC's getting virus', is because of the small percentage of actual incidents and the 10% max market share for 30 years. No Growth other than the growth of the overall market.

Then there is also result related to the small market. Hackers perceive MACs as the underdog vs. Microsoft and would prefer to BOTH attack Microsoft as the dominant player AND a larger target creating more distress in the market.

Put simply, MAC is just not big enough to bother with in most hackers minds. Plus for MAC but no guarantee you won't get hit if you try to defy the odds and not sercure your computer with security software.

Then there is the current flux in the Operating System. You can only buy Windows 8/8.1 on the PC side, and that operating system has been a top shelf loser. Absolutely bogus, although some have managed to make it work. There is a free, five minute fix for it's biggest problem, but generally people would rather whine and complain and do anything to avoid Microsoft if they can. What does that fix. I ran Windows 8.1 with the fix for two years and it was rock solid and fast.

For the last 3 months I have been running the upcoming Windows 10 on the Windows Insider Program. That involves people who get to run the OS to test and provide input for enhancement. I'm on the third preview build and every one has been flawless, both in terms of running all my equipment, AND all my programs.

I should add here that I have been a PC consultant and Tech for 25 years, and did on-site repair for DELL for five year during that period.

Summarizing.... access to service. MAC's need service on a par with PC's, because internally they are the same on important parts.

MAC may seemingly have a current lead on the operating system. At this point, with what I am experiencing on Windows 10, I think MAC users are in for a real surprise.

Last, the Minority position of MAC in the productivity market, while their creativity is bleeding off to toy watches, and other devices. Oops, did I actually say that out loud??

Lets see what others have to say. Clearly I have voiced an opinion. What does your IT person say. I'm surprised your post does not say that your IT person told you to "Just get a MAC!"
Since I appear to be the first poster, I am going ... (show quote)


What is the 5 minute fix for Win 8.1?

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Apr 11, 2015 07:36:42   #
eshotwell Loc: Eaton Rapids, Michigan
 
Wow, you really stirred the hornets nest on the Mac vs PC debate. Here's what I know for sure...
My small graphics office has been running MacPros since 2006. NEVER any problem what-so-ever! I just upgraded to a new (used) 2010 model; MacPro 5,1 with 32 gb of ram and a 250gb SSD Drive. It runs everything you can throw at it, and unbelievably fast.
Before that we were running the Mac G4's, before that the original MacII and various other models in between.
I bought this last mac (3 of them) on ebay, but they are readily available from Macsales.com and Powermax.com. You can expect to pay about $1100-$1300 each fully loaded.

Oh yeah, I almost forget... mine is paired with a 30" Apple Cinema monitor at work and a 32" BenQ monitor at home. Lots of room to work!

I'm not a geek either, but I've been on Macs since 1988. Hope this helps.

Ed Shotwell

Hardware Overview:

Model Name: Mac Pro
Model Identifier: MacPro5,1
Processor Name: Quad-Core Intel Xeon
Processor Speed: 3.2 GHz
Number of Processors: 1
Total Number of Cores: 4
L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB
L3 Cache: 8 MB
Memory: 32 GB
Processor Interconnect Speed: 4.8 GT/s

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Apr 11, 2015 07:39:16   #
bcmink Loc: Monona, WI
 
The fix for Windows 8 is a free upgrade to Windows 10. I'd encourage everyone running Windows 8.x to register with Microsoft for the free upgrade.

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/microsoft-clarifies-who-gets-free-windows-10-114730456889.html

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Apr 11, 2015 07:43:44   #
Tonym2s Loc: Florida
 
Kuzano wrote:
Since I appear to be the first poster, I am going to partially give you input on a couple of the issues you ask about.

Well, I was when I started typing

First, "small town it the mountains is a red flag". How far is it to the nearest service center for MAC? Does your IT guy not work on MAC? That would not be surprising, since the market for MAC is so small.

Know this, MAC (Apple) has never exceeded 10% of the personal computer market in the United States, perhaps worldwide. The common retort is that MACs don't need service so why worry.

That may have been true when MAC parts were proprietary. However in the last decade MAC's are pretty much built with the same parts off the same shelves as other PC's, Windows or other.

Ball park, tough to answer because it is so much based on configuration as you are finding out. I would set the MAC/PC question aside until you know what you need in the computer. That's a much better approach. Since the parts are pretty much the same, it will be to your advantage to determine configuration for the hardware. The common answer to that is the fastest CPU you can afford (hopefully Intel i7 or comparable), the biggest hard drive you can afford and as much RAM as the computer will hold up to the amount your can afford... (that didn't help did it)

Then you can get back to the "ball park" price per operating system. My answer on that would be that the MAC will cost you 40% more than a similarly performing Windows or other OS PC.

example.... first pick the performance. Then if a $750 PC gives you the performance, you would likely spend a bit over a $1000 to get that performance in a MAC.

MACs and Viruses... Myth for the most part. Even Apple says be sure to run security protection on your MAC.

The only reason you don't often hear about MAC's getting virus', is because of the small percentage of actual incidents and the 10% max market share for 30 years. No Growth other than the growth of the overall market.

Then there is also result related to the small market. Hackers perceive MACs as the underdog vs. Microsoft and would prefer to BOTH attack Microsoft as the dominant player AND a larger target creating more distress in the market.

Put simply, MAC is just not big enough to bother with in most hackers minds. Plus for MAC but no guarantee you won't get hit if you try to defy the odds and not sercure your computer with security software.

Then there is the current flux in the Operating System. You can only buy Windows 8/8.1 on the PC side, and that operating system has been a top shelf loser. Absolutely bogus, although some have managed to make it work. There is a free, five minute fix for it's biggest problem, but generally people would rather whine and complain and do anything to avoid Microsoft if they can. What does that fix. I ran Windows 8.1 with the fix for two years and it was rock solid and fast.

For the last 3 months I have been running the upcoming Windows 10 on the Windows Insider Program. That involves people who get to run the OS to test and provide input for enhancement. I'm on the third preview build and every one has been flawless, both in terms of running all my equipment, AND all my programs.

I should add here that I have been a PC consultant and Tech for 25 years, and did on-site repair for DELL for five year during that period.

Summarizing.... access to service. MAC's need service on a par with PC's, because internally they are the same on important parts.

MAC may seemingly have a current lead on the operating system. At this point, with what I am experiencing on Windows 10, I think MAC users are in for a real surprise.

Last, the Minority position of MAC in the productivity market, while their creativity is bleeding off to toy watches, and other devices. Oops, did I actually say that out loud??

Lets see what others have to say. Clearly I have voiced an opinion. What does your IT person say. I'm surprised your post does not say that your IT person told you to "Just get a MAC!"
Since I appear to be the first poster, I am going ... (show quote)




You said (I ran Windows 8.1 with the fix for two years and it was rock solid and fast.) What is this (FIX) and how do I get it? Win 8.1 will run great for a week then be a blue screen nightmare for a few days. Thanks for any help/info.

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Apr 11, 2015 07:56:15   #
geezer7 Loc: Michigan
 
Tonym2s wrote:
You said (I ran Windows 8.1 with the fix for two years and it was rock solid and fast.) What is this (FIX) and how do I get it? Win 8.1 will run great for a week then be a blue screen nightmare for a few days. Thanks for any help/info.


I believe the "fix" is probably installation of " classic shell" which makes the windows 8.x look like windows 7.
I don't feel that there is anything wrong with windows 8.1 other than people not liking the new start screen. My version works very well with no blue screens!

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Apr 11, 2015 08:00:29   #
bcmink Loc: Monona, WI
 
Tonym2s wrote:
You said (I ran Windows 8.1 with the fix for two years and it was rock solid and fast.) What is this (FIX) and how do I get it? Win 8.1 will run great for a week then be a blue screen nightmare for a few days. Thanks for any help/info.


I'll take a stab at your weekly BSOD issue. The way to isolate this problem is to view the system, application and hardware logs in Windows. Contained within the event logs is likely to be a number of conflicts that are preceded by a red flag. That's where you will find the conflict, problem or issue causing your BSOD.

Do a web search for "accessing windows system logs" and follow the directions for accessing the logs. That gets you to step 1. Once you find all instances of critical (red flagged) system, hardware or application errors you'll have to get some help figuring out how to resolve the problems.

The kinds of errors that typically don't show up in the logs are RAM memory address failures. If your logs are relatively clean you can run a memory test using a utility called MemTest:

http://hcidesign.com/memtest/

BSOD issue are often related to device conflicts. It is a good idea to make sure that all of your system devices have up to date drivers. You can update drivers by right clicking on the "My Computer" icon and then select the "manage option" navigate your way to the "device manager". Scroll through all of the installed devices and for each one choose the "update driver option" via the web. Your computer will query the MS driver database to ensure that you have the latest signed drivers installed.

If all of this seems to daunting find a local computer technician to help you isolate the conflict that is causing the BSOD.

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Apr 11, 2015 08:15:17   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
bcmink wrote:
I'll take a stab at your weekly BSOD issue. The way to isolate this problem is to view the system, application and hardware logs in Windows. Contained within the event logs is likely to be a number of conflicts that are preceded by a red flag. That's where you will find the conflict, problem or issue causing your BSOD.

Do a web search for "accessing windows system logs" and follow the directions for accessing the logs. That gets you to step 1. Once you find all instances of critical (red flagged) system, hardware or application errors you'll have to get some help figuring out how to resolve the problems.

The kinds of errors that typically don't show up in the logs are RAM memory address failures. If your logs are relatively clean you can run a memory test using a utility called MemTest:

http://hcidesign.com/memtest/

BSOD issue are often related to device conflicts. It is a good idea to make sure that all of your system devices have up to date drivers. You can update drivers by right clicking on the "My Computer" icon and then select the "manage option" navigate your way to the "device manager". Scroll through all of the installed devices and for each one choose the "update driver option" via the web. Your computer will query the MS driver database to ensure that you have the latest signed drivers installed.

If all of this seems to daunting find a local computer technician to help you isolate the conflict that is causing the BSOD.
I'll take a stab at your weekly BSOD issue. The wa... (show quote)


This is just one of the many reasons why I will never own a PC. My macs have always just worked...I don't ever want/need to tinker with stuff like this. I'd rather spend my time shooting or with my family. I turn on my Mac, and just get to work. Simple.

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Apr 11, 2015 08:18:01   #
ralphc4176 Loc: Conyers, GA
 
I just bought an Asus 13.3" Ultrabook for my daughter. Core i7 processor, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB solid state drive, dedicated NVIDIA graphics card, around $1200. It is very small, very light, and VERY fast. If the 13.3-inch monitor is too small, you could buy a conventional monitor and run it from the Ultrabook when you are at your desk. You will want an external USB 3.0 hard drive; the 256 GB will hold your programs, but you will fill it up in a hurry with images.
You can also buy 15.4-inch notebooks with similar or better specs, including a conventional hard disc drive, which will be significantly slower than a SSD but will hold more programs and data. If you want fast graphics performance, you must get a machine with a dedicated graphics card with at least 1.5 GB of its own video RAM; do not even consider "integrated graphics."

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Apr 11, 2015 08:26:38   #
VitoM
 
Have your IT guy go into the BIOS at startup. There will be an option to switch from the onboard pci video to the pci-e video slot. That should get your graphics card to be seen. He will then need to install the proper drivers to get the card working properly.

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Apr 11, 2015 08:34:53   #
BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere
 
If you want a Mac... to run the programs you mentioned, you need to come up with $2400 or more. Anything less and you will be posting here again within the month.

Best to find a dealer in your area, visit them, have them show you what machine(s) run PS, LR and all the other programs you want to use. But, very important! Have the SHOW you that they work! If they tell you they don't have any Adobe programs loaded... walk away.

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Apr 11, 2015 08:48:08   #
joefor
 
Hi - I am a semi- computer geek by necessity. I ran my business for years on PC's until the maintenance costs and computer failures finally drove me to switch the entire office to Macs. I can only tell you that a Mac is the way to go. I have owned many PC's and many Mac's and the difference in cost to buy the Mac's is more than made up for by the fact that they work - all the time. I have had about 20 Macs in my business and have exactly one hard drive fail in ten years. I still have 2007 iMacs working perfectly in my office. I have never put on virus protection software. If you check out the Mac 27 inch you will be sold. The screen is gorgeous and it works wonderfully with light room.

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Apr 11, 2015 08:53:02   #
Kuzano
 
accuseal wrote:
What is the 5 minute fix for Win 8.1?


The free fix, which is simply a menu replacement called Classic Shell. Download it ONLY from Classicshell.net.

The person who developed it, put it on the internet within a couple of months after Windows 8 rolled out. I've been using it and putting it on client and student machines since that time. It's mature and safe.

It puts the menu for Windows XP or 7 look alike on the desktop, and has a number of settings, of which the best one is to bypass the "start" screen (live tiles) for windows 8 and boot to the desktop.

Frankly Windows 8.1 is fast and stable otherwise. The perplexing part of Windows 8/8.1 is the absence of the menu at the desktop.

So Classic Shell gives back the menu and boots directly to the desktop.

You don't need Windows 10 to stabilize and navigate Windows 8/8.1.

However Windows 10 is looking good. It's just not rolled out as a public offering. It is still under aggressive development and anticipated to roll out this Summer.

It should take you about two minutes to download Classic Shell, and five to install and configure it. Look the classichsell.net site over well for explanation and configuration details.

It's worked for a number of my clients/students very well for the period that 8/8.1 has been out.

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Apr 11, 2015 09:21:03   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
This is just one of the many reasons why I will never own a PC. My macs have always just worked...I don't ever want/need to tinker with stuff like this. I'd rather spend my time shooting or with my family. I turn on my Mac, and just get to work. Simple.


Exactly, pointless to argue with many window users since they have never ventured away from Microsoft for anything.

After 22 years of managing a statewide network, 1200 plus windows PC's the one thing I learned is that there is a constant barrage of intrusion attempts, a constant need to "tweak" and adjust, and a constant need to upgrade hardware every 3 years - actually the upgrade needs were more like 18 months apart, but funding demanded replacements be stretched out for 3 years.

My first move away from Microsoft was to Ubuntu Linux - great OS, single disk install, very solid OS, used that for several years, then moved to Mac.

Like they say, once you go Mac, you will never go Bac!

Own 7 Mac's in the family now, 2 IMacs, 2 Mac Mini's and 3 Macbook AIRS - support is simple -turn them on and they run.

Moving from Windows years before only means that I really lost ONE program, VISIO - there was/is no substitute that I have seen yet. If I really need to use Visio, well, I fire up a VM using Virtual Box (FREE) and launch Windows XP or Windows 7.

Plenty of freeware software to keep anyone satisfied.

Actually have looked at Windows 10 - thru the early preview program, but was not impressed.

BTW - LOVE never needing to defrag my Mac's....love never needing to spend time tweaking and cleaning it up to speed it up. Love how it is much more secure to malware, adware and internet crap - affectionately known in the networking world as "windows rot" ;)

And really love getting away from "patch Tuesday"!

BTW - I run to the Apple Store to buy new things - not get repairs - nothing has broken in years with the Mac's.

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Apr 11, 2015 09:22:18   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
joefor wrote:
Hi - I am a semi- computer geek by necessity. I ran my business for years on PC's until the maintenance costs and computer failures finally drove me to switch the entire office to Macs. I can only tell you that a Mac is the way to go. I have owned many PC's and many Mac's and the difference in cost to buy the Mac's is more than made up for by the fact that they work - all the time. I have had about 20 Macs in my business and have exactly one hard drive fail in ten years. I still have 2007 iMacs working perfectly in my office. I have never put on virus protection software. If you check out the Mac 27 inch you will be sold. The screen is gorgeous and it works wonderfully with light room.
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Apr 11, 2015 09:24:51   #
zigipha Loc: north nj
 
1. you don't need a graphics card to make lr run (appreciably) faster. all processors have built im graphics processors. take the card out and see how it runs
2. if it stutters etc, then something is fundamentally wrong - not a mac vs ps issue.
3. speed of link to internet does not affect lr; lr does not go out to the cloud for normal operations

if you are just giving up and going to mac, ok but if you want to salvage this, I would suggest checking malware, etc and if that does not clean things up, do a fresh install. you have something embedded that is messing you up. at least you get a better pc to hand off to someone else

re new computer - get an ssd for the boot drive; 512G ones are getting lower in price (~230), but 256 should also work

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