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Mar 27, 2012 15:41:44   #
rambler Loc: Masssachusetts
 
Thanks for the links, Croce.

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Mar 27, 2012 15:58:13   #
T Loc: New York State
 
mel wrote:
I've read time and time again about not useing Image Stabalization when the camera is on a tripod. Would this method still be aplicable to a monopod?


The catch 22 here is that IF you do hold a monopod correctly, i.e. accomplish what you wanted to with it in the first place, then IS will defeat you. But, if you use the monopod poorly, then IS will, maybe, save you...

I prefer having some chance of success USING the monopod, small as it might be, and leave IS-VR off. Leaving IS-VR on would mean having no reason to try using the monopod correctly to begin with............

On the other hand, I prefer, whenever possible, to avoid the whole complex technical conundrum and use a sturdy nonskid stoutly anchored, wind proof, vibration resistant, infinitely adjustable, quick mount, low cost, un-transported and easily detached rock.

With IS-VR off.


T

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Mar 27, 2012 16:12:27   #
rockdog Loc: Berkeley, Ca.
 
T wrote:
mel wrote:
I've read time and time again about not useing Image Stabalization when the camera is on a tripod. Would this method still be aplicable to a monopod?


The catch 22 here is that IF you do hold a monopod correctly, i.e. accomplish what you wanted to with it in the first place, then IS will defeat you. But, if you use the monopod poorly, then IS will, maybe, save you...

I prefer having some chance of success USING the monopod, small as it might be, and leave IS-VR off. Leaving IS-VR on would mean no reason to try using the monopod to begin with............

On the other hand, I've been known to avoid the whole complex technical conundrum and put the camera on a handy rock. With IS-VR off.

T
quote=mel I've read time and time again about not... (show quote)


Yes, it is a catch 22. I have decided to not use IS when using my monopod, one less variable.

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Mar 27, 2012 16:19:55   #
T Loc: New York State
 
rockdog wrote:
T wrote:
mel wrote:
I've read time and time again about not useing Image Stabalization when the camera is on a tripod. Would this method still be aplicable to a monopod?

The catch 22 here is that IF you do hold a monopod correctly, i.e. accomplish what you wanted to with it in the first place, then IS will defeat you. But, if you use the monopod poorly, then IS will, maybe, save you...

I prefer having some chance of success USING the monopod, small as it might be, and leave IS-VR off. Leaving IS-VR on would mean having no reason to try using the monopod correctly to begin with............

On the other hand, I prefer, whenever possible, to avoid the whole complex technical conundrum and use a sturdy nonskid stoutly anchored, wind proof, vibration resistant, infinitely adjustable, quick mount, low cost, un-transported and easily detached rock.

With IS-VR off.
quote=mel I've read time and time again about not... (show quote)


Yes, it is a catch 22. I have decided to not use IS when using my monopod, one less variable.
quote=T quote=mel I've read time and time again ... (show quote)


Darn...I didn't even finish updating the post! Maybe my alternate to a monopod is too slow........ Or it's just me.

T

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Mar 27, 2012 16:22:14   #
T Loc: New York State
 
You certainly have a perfect field full of monopod replacements there in your avatar!

T

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Mar 27, 2012 16:39:10   #
coco1964 Loc: Winsted Mn
 
Croce wrote:
MT Shooter wrote:
Croce wrote:
Leaving IS on when tripod mounted will not degrade your image. What it MAY do is:

1. Hinder autofocus causing it to hunt.

2. Run down your battery more quickly.

If you forget to turn it off no biggie.


So you are going to make that statement in direct contradiction with every camera and lens manufacturer in the world? As well as every photo school?

http://www.digital-photography-school.com/image-stabilization-on-tripods

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=37534986

http://photonaturalist.net/when-not-to-use-lens-stabilization/

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=520532

http://www.slrphotographyguide.com/camera/lens/VR-IS.shtml

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-beginners-corner-q/145969-disable-shake-reduction-when-using-tripod-why-2.html

http://www.digital-photography-school.com/an-introduction-to-tripods

The list is endless, as well in every lens manual that comes with an IS/VR/OS equipped lens. Granted Nikon has some lenses with a "tripod detect" mode, but you need to know which lenses they are and whether or not you own one.
quote=Croce Leaving IS on when tripod mounted wil... (show quote)


Wow MT, you must have a hell of a lot of time to go flitting here and there and everywhere to dig up whatever.

I stand by what I wrote but I'm not going to search out every reference in the library of congress to prove it.

OK MT, if it's that significant I guess you must be right. lol
quote=MT Shooter quote=Croce Leaving IS on when ... (show quote)
You don't need to go to the library of congress, just read the operations manual of your lens---if you have them. Otherwise most are available online........

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Mar 27, 2012 17:32:55   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
mel wrote:
I've read time and time again about not useing Image Stabalization when the camera is on a tripod. Would this method still be aplicable to a monopod?


Turning off image stabilization when on a tripod does not apply to all lenses. Some can sense they are on a tripod. Determine which way goes the lenses or lenses you are using.

As to monopods, keep IS on. No one can keep a giant lens and a heavy camera totally motionless. IS should eliminate the small amount of wiggle that will be left even you use one.

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Mar 27, 2012 18:36:14   #
rockdog Loc: Berkeley, Ca.
 
T wrote:
You certainly have a perfect field full of monopod replacements there in your avatar!

T


Yes and I'm not afraid to use them.

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Mar 27, 2012 19:52:48   #
Bruce with a Canon Loc: Islip
 
Croce wrote:
MT Shooter wrote:
Croce wrote:
Leaving IS on when tripod mounted will not degrade your image. What it MAY do is:

1. Hinder autofocus causing it to hunt.

2. Run down your battery more quickly.

If you forget to turn it off no biggie.


So you are going to make that statement in direct contradiction with every camera and lens manufacturer in the world? As well as every photo school?

http://www.digital-photography-school.com/image-stabilization-on-tripods

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=37534986

http://photonaturalist.net/when-not-to-use-lens-stabilization/

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=520532

http://www.slrphotographyguide.com/camera/lens/VR-IS.shtml

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-beginners-corner-q/145969-disable-shake-reduction-when-using-tripod-why-2.html

http://www.digital-photography-school.com/an-introduction-to-tripods

The list is endless, as well in every lens manual that comes with an IS/VR/OS equipped lens. Granted Nikon has some lenses with a "tripod detect" mode, but you need to know which lenses they are and whether or not you own one.
quote=Croce Leaving IS on when tripod mounted wil... (show quote)


Wow MT, you must have a hell of a lot of time to go flitting here and there and everywhere to dig up whatever.

I stand by what I wrote but I'm not going to search out every reference in the library of congress to prove it.

OK MT, if it's that significant I guess you must be right. lol
quote=MT Shooter quote=Croce Leaving IS on when ... (show quote)



MT is right.

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Mar 27, 2012 19:53:44   #
alann Loc: Virginia
 
I am old and a little shaky so if it's not on a tripod IS is on! Well...unless I am doing BIF shots.

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Mar 27, 2012 20:46:36   #
PHFoto Loc: Idaho
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Just try some test shots with it on and some with it off and see for yourself. Seems simple enough.


Exactly what I was thinking :thumbup:

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Mar 27, 2012 20:55:13   #
PhotoArtsLA Loc: Boynton Beach
 
mel wrote:
I've read time and time again about not useing Image Stabalization when the camera is on a tripod. Would this method still be aplicable to a monopod?


I would suggest turning off image stabilization while using any form of support, tripods and monopods included. Image stabilization was invented to compensate for unpracticed, unsteady hands. Given digital is a free medium, unlike film (buy film, process, and (sometimes) print = expensive lessons,) there really is no excuse to not practice technique or developing a pro level shooting style.

We olde timers speak of things like "the zen of photography." Growing up with the expensive lessons of film, you learn to shoot well. From a standing position, shooting a stage play under theatrical lighting, with ISO 1600 your max ISO, and ISO 800 or 400 much more common, without image stabilization, you should expect, once "in the zone" to be able to shoot with a 200mm f/4 lens, without support, down to 1/8 second exposure, keeping it sharp. I have posted elsewhere here a shot I did with a much more modest focal length, under 75mm (FX zoom lens on a DX camera) on slow slide film, ISO 50, of the Hoover Dam at night, where I had physical support to rest my arms, but still handheld, with an exposure time over one full second. Tack sharp. You need to be able to open additional channels in your brain which monitor breathing, hand steadiness, arm comfort and position, handling of the camera, composition, pressing the shutter while knowing your camera is motionless... not unlike the learned skills of snipers or the learned skills of Steadicam operation (I'm also a Steadicam operator) and in this you find the zen of shooting.

These skills are critical when you find yourself in highly intense situations... when everyone else is gasping and shaking... and you have the unwavering, rock steady hands and calm, intact skills to bring home the picture. A good portion of it eventually seems like muscle memory, but, the bottom line is, when you really learn to shoot, the future is too bright for shades.

While I have a few DX semi pro lenses with image stabilization, I don't recall ever using it. I think it's just in the OFF position. When I replace my 300/2.8 with an autofocus model with IS, I might take a look at IS again, but I have no complaints of my work with my current 300/2.8.

What I find I complain about is the poor quality of current still photography tripods. The coffee nerves of Manfrotto annoy me because I own one. Gitzo apparently stopped producing their pro line, with the Tele Studex Giants and what not (I have one, about 35 years old, and there is no Manfrotto in its ball park by a very long shot.) I am about to plunge into the Really Right Stuff lineup. Seems interesting. Will report in the future after a good bit of polite abuse.

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Mar 27, 2012 21:35:08   #
Ugly Jake Loc: Sub-Rural Vermont
 
Spodeworld wrote:
Turn IS off on tripod, and leave it on on monopod, which is not as stable.


I have to agree - but if you're trying to get that clean with a tripod, you should be using a remote shutter release - if you're good enough to not move when you depress the shutter, you probably can hand - hold and not need it. For those us still using a P&S or a bridge, the 2-second delay works just fine in lieu of a remote.

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Mar 29, 2012 19:48:01   #
mel Loc: Jacksonville, Florida
 
Thank's everyone, I'm off on a 29 day cruise to Europe tomorrow and I certainly take your advice.

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Mar 30, 2012 01:49:20   #
photo guy Loc: Chippewa Falls, WI
 
Have a good time.

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