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Mar 27, 2015 20:40:01   #
Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world
 
kitcar wrote:
Maybe in my ignorance I‘m just asking - looking at the UH posts & camera sales pitch’s about sensors with super MP’s, I am wondering about the claimed definition, would you ever be able to do them credit with the average (even up to A3} printer with the restriction of their DPI’s. I can see the advantages re’ cropping or really large blow ups. Enlighten me please. You would be surprised how happy I am with my 15mp.


I like many remember the intro of the 3-1/2 " disk. A whopping 1.2 mB.
Get one and you will never run out of space. And the along comes the 5MB hard disk to keep all your programs and all your data on one drive and never ever run out of space. yadi yah, on and on it goes.

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Mar 27, 2015 21:28:43   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Haydon wrote:
Steve do you have fact or is that your opinion? Wait a minute, isn't this speculation with the camera still unreleased?

Let's digress for a second, the D7000, D7100 and the D7200 all have ths same fps. Isn't that milking the consumer? 6 fps Raw correct?


It's doing the math.

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Mar 27, 2015 22:02:30   #
BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Bob, there is no merit badge for having had a Nikon suffed in your diaper! :lol:
You don't really buy a camera based on DXO DR test results do you??
Just say you have too much nikon glass to ever shoot something else, that's a good enough and valid reason.
It's about composition, not DR. If all your shots ooze DR, then yes, I'll buy that. But SHOW me a shoot where you think the DR made all the difference? And I'm not talking about an air conditioner out the back window of your hotel room, unless that's all you shoot. I'm talking about a shot YOU thought is/might be an award winner and would not be so if it weren't for all the DR in that fancy 810 of yours(or whatever you shoot).
My shots are all over UHH and all are shot with the crappiest cameras made, I'll admit it(according to DXO)!! They obviously contain the worst DR on the planet! Yet NOBODY has ever once mentioned the poor DR.
If your a DR junkie, that's OK, nothing actually wrong with that! I'm a speed freak and I'm not ashamed of it. Fast glass gets me shots that would be very hard to get any other way, but I don't see where DR would ever help me out in any way!! Just saying!! ;-)
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Bob, there is no merit badge for having had a Niko... (show quote)


I'll take that first comment as a tongue in cheek statement.

I upgraded to the D-810 primarily for the quiet shutter, and I have not been disappointed. Had my D-800 modified for IR only.

Quality wise, I believe the images from the D-810 compare very favorably to my H5D Hassy. As a consequence, I'm afraid that the Hassy in on the way out the door (that plus my aching back).

I do like the DR of the D-810. I am not at all proficient with HDR and I prefer not to rely on it (Personal decision only. I have seen far too much bad HDR work).

So far the 810 is serving me very well.

And I realize the DxO Mark is a test bench result. But all else equal DR of the sensor does count. Of course, we all have the capability to screw up even a 'perfect' exposure with post processing decisions. :?

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Mar 28, 2015 01:38:20   #
machia Loc: NJ
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Have you seen the 5DS photos shown? Taken with Canon lenses? I have never seen any other FF camera or APSC for that matter even begin to come close to the quality, dynamic range and low noise as those shown by real cameras.
P.S. I guess you have not seen any Canon 1DX photos in order to make your claim. Look at the latest Shutterbug Mag. Full of incredible Canon shots for virtually every article.


Ok, I'm open minded. I guess then, Canon has a revolutionary camera on their hands then, great ! Hey, some technology is ground breaking, and in this conversation it seems like this new Canon is setting the bar very high . Good luck and good shooting to all who buys one !

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Mar 28, 2015 02:29:54   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
machia wrote:
Ok, I'm open minded. I guess then, Canon has a revolutionary camera on their hands then, great ! Hey, some technology is ground breaking, and in this conversation it seems like this new Canon is setting the bar very high . Good luck and good shooting to all who buys one !


The 7dmkll already has a bar up there high enough to be poking the D4s in the arse!! :lol:
The new 7200 barely has a leg over the 7l, and in fps, it doesn't. :lol: :lol:
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Mar 28, 2015 03:25:12   #
Haydon
 
SteveR wrote:
It's doing the math.



No Steve, it's the photographer but you obviously have forgotten that!

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Mar 28, 2015 03:25:24   #
machia Loc: NJ
 
SharpShooter wrote:
The 7dmkll already has a bar up there high enough to be poking the D4s in the arse!! :lol:
The new 7200 barely has a leg over the 7l, and in fps, it doesn't. :lol: :lol:
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I've seen your posts, and it is apparent that you understand digital photography very well. Im a film guy who just recently went digital, and would like to know if my Canon T 5i can be set up to give me images that replicate the look of the old Kodachrome 25 & 64 ASA , with the red and yellow saturations. Thank you.

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Mar 28, 2015 05:51:30   #
CO
 
Peekayoh wrote:
You have this completely wrong, diffraction happens due to the light waves being disrupted by the edges of the Aperture. Pixel size has zero effect on this phenomenon, pixels come into action long after the diffraction has taken place. Smaller pixels can resolve more detail so we are more able to detect the result of diffraction on finer detail than the large pixels are capable of recording. That doesn't mean that large Pixels are better; you might as well say that a 2MPix camera is better than a 20Mpix camera because diffraction is less in evidence. Whilst that's true, I don't think many would choose the 2MPix camera.
You have this completely wrong, diffraction happen... (show quote)


Check out this article about diffraction:
http://www.aguntherphotography.com/tutorial/diffraction-limits-of-resolution.html

Yes, diffraction is caused by light passing by the edges of the blades of the aperture. Smaller pixels are affected by that diffraction before larger pixels when stopping down the aperture due to the Airy's disc formed by the diffraction. A sensor with a pixel pitch of 2 microns will start showing the effects of diffraction by f/3.5 because of the diameter of the Airy's disc. A camera like the Nikon D3s has a pixel pitch of 8.2 microns and will start showing the effects of diffraction around f/15. I've used the formula supplied in the article. There's a good illustration of diffraction and pixel size in this link:

http://www.lonestardigital.com/aperture_diffraction_limits.htm

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Mar 28, 2015 09:39:45   #
Peekayoh Loc: UK
 
CO wrote:
Check out this article about diffraction:
http://www.aguntherphotography.com/tutorial/diffraction-limits-of-resolution.html

Yes, diffraction is caused by light passing by the edges of the blades of the aperture. Smaller pixels are affected by that diffraction before larger pixels when stopping down the aperture due to the Airy's disc formed by the diffraction. A sensor with a pixel pitch of 2 microns will start showing the effects of diffraction by f/3.5 because of the diameter of the Airy's disc. A camera like the Nikon D3s has a pixel pitch of 8.2 microns and will start showing the effects of diffraction around f/15. I've used the formula supplied in the article. There's a good illustration of diffraction and pixel size in this link:

http://www.lonestardigital.com/aperture_diffraction_limits.htm
Check out this article about diffraction: br http:... (show quote)
You're still missing the point and clearly fail to understand what's going on.

The larger pixels simply don't have the resolution necessary to resolve the small detail affected by diffraction. If the large pixels can't resolve the detail it can't see the diffraction either.

The smaller pixels can resolve much finer detail so it's also possible to see the diffraction coming in at wider apertures, however the image still has better detail resolution than that drawn with the larger pixels, after all the larger pixels failed to resolve any detail at all. Basically, if the large pixels fail to resolve a particular size of detail, diffraction that is affecting that detail can't be seen either, it doesn't mean the diffraction is not there, it obviously is.

Take the hypothetical case of Large Pixel Sensor coupled to a lens that is on the cusp of becoming diffraction affected at f/11. If you switch in a Small Pixel Sensor, it will still resolve more detail even if diffraction is starting to affect that detail. Even if diffraction totally destroyed the detail (it won't), the image would still be no worse than that with the larger pixels.

I don't know how to make it any clearer for you than that.

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Mar 29, 2015 15:13:41   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
LFingar wrote:
The heck with 50mp! I want some of those CIA spy satellite cameras! I want to be able to read the license plate on a gnat on an African elephant's butt from my living room window!:)

contact the folks at zeiss - they'll be able to assist you in your quest. of course it is gong to cost a little bit...

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Mar 29, 2015 15:32:16   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
machia wrote:
I've seen your posts, and it is apparent that you understand digital photography very well. Im a film guy who just recently went digital, and would like to know if my Canon T 5i can be set up to give me images that replicate the look of the old Kodachrome 25 & 64 ASA , with the red and yellow saturations. Thank you.


Machia, hey, thanks for asking.
I doubt you can set up the camera to shoot with an old film look,but if you always shoot in RAW, you can Teo a lot of old effects using filters in PP.
The slightly yellow look, or sepia is one of the most popular looks especially when converting to B&W.
I'm not actually a big PP guy, especially the use of filters but I'll bet if you ask that question in the PP section you will get lots of help with differ older classic looks. Good luck with that!! ;-)
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Mar 30, 2015 03:08:45   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Haydon wrote:
No Steve, it's the photographer but you obviously have forgotten that!


Haydon, I don't quite understand your comment. A Nikon crop sensor, however, is 24x16mm. A full frame sensor is 36x24mm. If you do the math, that makes the area of a full frame sensor 2.25 times as large as a Nikon crop sensor. So, the 24.2 mp of the D7200 would become 54.45 mp if the sensor of the D7200 were to be made into a full frame sensor. That's all Canon is doing....increasing the area of a 24 mb sensor 2.25 x, and rounding up to 55mb. In fact the increase in area with Canons may even be larger than with Nikons. I believe their crop sensors are smaller.

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Mar 30, 2015 03:17:01   #
Macronaut Loc: Redondo Beach,Ca.
 
SteveR wrote:
Haydon, I don't quite understand your comment. A Nikon crop sensor, however, is 24x16mm. A full frame sensor is 36x24mm. If you do the math, that makes the area of a full frame sensor 2.25 times as large as a Nikon crop sensor. So, the 24.2 mp of the D7200 would become 54.45 mp if the sensor of the D7200 were to be made into a full frame sensor. That's all Canon is doing....increasing the area of a 24 mb sensor 2.25 x, and rounding up to 55mb. In fact the increase in area with Canons may even be larger than with Nikons. I believe their crop sensors are smaller.
Haydon, I don't quite understand your comment. A ... (show quote)


I believe this is correct or very close. Nikon's 24mp APS-C has the same resolution as the 50mp FF. So the gain is only in a larger sensor.

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Mar 30, 2015 15:07:38   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Flyextreme wrote:
I believe this is correct or very close. Nikon's 24mp APS-C has the same resolution as the 50mp FF. So the gain is only in a larger sensor.


If anybody is interested, the area of a Nikon crop sensor (is that APS-C?) is 384 sq. mm. The area of a full frame sensor is 864 sq. mm.

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Mar 30, 2015 19:24:22   #
countryman60951 Loc: Bourbonnais, Il
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Nikon should go to 100MP. That will keep Canon busy for a while. :D


Maybe Sony will manufacture that sensor just like it does for D800

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