Before Arguing Brand This or Model That
Mar 22, 2015 23:40:37 #
tomeveritt wrote:
Good Sunday Morning to lamiacea, and even dpullum.... (show quote)
Well said. Even for a Canon guy.
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Mar 22, 2015 23:49:40 #
BebuLamar wrote:
Do you know that the first thing I consider about a camera is how good looking it is and secondly how well built it is.
The list is long but Dxo mark is way down the list.
The list is long but Dxo mark is way down the list.
That's the way I look at women.
Mar 23, 2015 00:37:09 #
DaveyDitzer wrote:
Without being insensitive to this man's suicide, I... (show quote)
You're not the only one! Unless the pistol was placed in a Ransom Rest, even the lightest of triggers world be insignificant compared to the recoil of the weapon, which, in the case of most handguns, cause the barrel to rise. That's one police report I'd have to see to believe.
Mar 23, 2015 09:23:44 #
Right On jakebrake, progressive emotionalism amuses all of us. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Mar 23, 2015 10:24:25 #
lamiaceae wrote:
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Of course I realize that the camera sensor and processor is not the only reason for buying a specific camera model. Features, handling, weight, shape, even esthetics matter. And even brand loyalty for many of us. But do know there are objective measures. Peace to everyone.
8-) :wink: :-) :thumbup:
Of course I realize that the camera sensor and processor is not the only reason for buying a specific camera model. Features, handling, weight, shape, even esthetics matter. And even brand loyalty for many of us. But do know there are objective measures. Peace to everyone.
8-) :wink: :-) :thumbup:
You sort of forgot focusing speed, subject tracking, etc... other things the DXO does not measure and yet are VITAL for many kinds of photography.
Mar 23, 2015 10:38:34 #
Jakebrake wrote:
Ahhhh.....spoken like the true classical liberal! :wink:
Things people tend to forget when speaking of Ayn Rand:
1) Atlas Shrugged is a work of fiction.
2) There are 100 people out there willing, able and waiting to take over from each and every so called Master of the Universe while there are only 6 waiting for every 100 regular Joes. If the masters stopped doing what they do the void will fill VERY quickly.
Mar 23, 2015 10:47:13 #
SharpShooter wrote:
Boberic, I have NEVER in my 50 years of shooting h... (show quote)
Perhaps my criteria are different from most as I am 6'6'' tall and have very large hands, for me a smaller, lighter camera is not possible as control switches are very uncomfortable and in the wrong places.
Mar 23, 2015 16:40:00 #
Bobbee wrote:
actually, it would be wise to search out reviews by several different sources. You cannot rely on one because of natural bias in writing styles and thinking.
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Mar 23, 2015 16:40:24 #
Mogul wrote:
DxO is one of many excellent labs across the country and throughout the word. But I do not trust their word alone; the do make mistakes and omit some data. Placing you complete trust in them would be tantamount to basing your next automobile purchase on the recommendations of Car & Driver magazine.
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Mar 23, 2015 16:48:18 #
BebuLamar wrote:
Do you know that the first thing I consider about a camera is how good looking it is and secondly how well built it is.
The list is long but Dxo mark is way down the list.
The list is long but Dxo mark is way down the list.
The thousands of pros who went with Canon I doubt even gave a crap about DXO Mark reviews.
They looked at performance of the entire system, quality of the images, focusing speed and accuracy, and a host of other features. Most likely never have heard about DXO Mark so do not care.It appears that the EOS mount has set the standard for sped and adaptability to the point most all video manufacturers have adopted this system as well.
There is so much more than a biased small set of parameters of a sensor performance to judge a whole system by. Latest Shutter Bug was virtually all Canon used in the articles. These were landscapes etc. Not just sports. Why?
Mar 25, 2015 16:13:43 #
dsmeltz wrote:
You sort of forgot focusing speed, subject tracking, etc... other things the DXO does not measure and yet are VITAL for many kinds of photography.
Correct, but I was not making a list of everything. My brief listing was meant to be non-inclusive. Also I rarely do the types of photography you are implying, so forgive me for passing on those. A lot of what everyone writes on the UHH is rhetorical in nature to begin with.
Mar 25, 2015 17:08:21 #
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Archi, I have absolutely no doubt that DXO is 100% accurate for what and how they test.
But, for example, there are many testing sites that have compared the canon 5dlll to the Nikon 810. All those sites quote the DXO scores. And in spite of the 810's better DR and much higher mp, most will always declare the 5lll as the better more versatile camera when EVERYTHING is taken into consideration! That's because there IS much more to a camera than the DXO scores. And that's not considering the fact Canon has so many more pro lenses that nikon doesn't even make, like the ultra-fast short primes or that the big lenses that weigh 20% less, etc.
I believe Digital Camera World has one such test if anybody wants to see how those conclusions are arrived at! There are quite a few good testers that arrive at that SAME conclusion.
There are many camera owners that are completely blind, and older people, such as here, tend to shoot Nikons, but among younger photographers and most pros that don't have that 5 decades old bias of when Nikon was THE camera everybody strived for, DXO doesnt suck them in. Face it, pros and serious photogs don't use old manual lenses, one of the most often cited reasons old users cite for shooting Nikon, that's the realm of amatuers for whom what they use will never make a difference, good or bad.
It's a free world market out there and you can buy anything you want to shoot. Nikon dropped to #2 12 years ago and still losing ground but Heaven help nikon when all these old Df carrying curmudgeons are dead because even DXO won't be able the save Nikon!!! :lol: :lol:
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Architect1776 wrote:
The thousands of pros who went with Canon I doubt ... (show quote)
Archi, I have absolutely no doubt that DXO is 100% accurate for what and how they test.
But, for example, there are many testing sites that have compared the canon 5dlll to the Nikon 810. All those sites quote the DXO scores. And in spite of the 810's better DR and much higher mp, most will always declare the 5lll as the better more versatile camera when EVERYTHING is taken into consideration! That's because there IS much more to a camera than the DXO scores. And that's not considering the fact Canon has so many more pro lenses that nikon doesn't even make, like the ultra-fast short primes or that the big lenses that weigh 20% less, etc.
I believe Digital Camera World has one such test if anybody wants to see how those conclusions are arrived at! There are quite a few good testers that arrive at that SAME conclusion.
There are many camera owners that are completely blind, and older people, such as here, tend to shoot Nikons, but among younger photographers and most pros that don't have that 5 decades old bias of when Nikon was THE camera everybody strived for, DXO doesnt suck them in. Face it, pros and serious photogs don't use old manual lenses, one of the most often cited reasons old users cite for shooting Nikon, that's the realm of amatuers for whom what they use will never make a difference, good or bad.
It's a free world market out there and you can buy anything you want to shoot. Nikon dropped to #2 12 years ago and still losing ground but Heaven help nikon when all these old Df carrying curmudgeons are dead because even DXO won't be able the save Nikon!!! :lol: :lol:
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Mar 25, 2015 17:23:14 #
DaveyDitzer
Loc: Western PA
This is an interesting post and it got me thinking. Now I admit I am and was a Nikon guy from 50 years ago = an honest to goodness curmudgeon. I thought they were good value and I did like to hold them. When I belatedly got into digital, I had to start somewhere and I always admired that Nikon did not abandon their old lenses. But I also admit that many of the things I buy, whether cameras, nice rifles, fun cars are more the result of some emotional impulse than pure logic. Yes. I analyze as best I can, but in the end there's a "like" factor that sways me and I think many others as well. I'm glad I can afford to indulge some of my likes, although the price of the Df gives me some pause. So long live the curmudgeons.
Mar 25, 2015 18:21:58 #
SharpShooter wrote:
C br Archi, I have absolutely no doubt that DXO is... (show quote)
"old Df carrying curmudgeons"?
Mar 25, 2015 18:31:40 #
Kmgw9v wrote:
"old Df carrying curmudgeons"?
Sorry, I meant all those Df carrying Chippendalesque young studs with lots of hair on their faces but none on their heads!! :lol: :lol:
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