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Mar 23, 2015 12:55:44   #
plessner Loc: North Dakota
 
treadwl wrote:
Photography is about LIGHT and COMPOSITION. Failing to use these elements in a photograph just leads to a boring image. For me far too many people think the clouds and sky will carry the image and, in my experience, this is most rare. Set the scene, tell the story and you get a far better image. I offer two examples below.

The first was captured in the everglades of Florida and required me wading through muck and water to get to the right composition. The photo started with the reflection of the pines on the still water complimented by the dark trees against the neutral sky. I knew the sun would shine through the thin trees and add some color--but this was about the composition more than the sunset. while the horizon is fairly centered (bad use of the rule of thirds) the offset, eye catching ball of the sun honors the rule of thirds. The slight ripples in the water add a bit of motion to the image. Over all, I think it works--strong composition, with color accent.

The second photo was also about composition. I used the natural vignetting effect of the mountain ridges to focus the viewer's eye toward the multi layers of forest. Rather than focus on the setting sun, I was concerned about the light that fell on the layers of the forest. I wanted to draw the viewer into the forest. I waited for the sun to be hidden behind the clouds to get the glow effect. The image was about the forest, the sunset was a compliment. My idea is always to focus on the composition, if that is strong, even a soft pale sunset will provide a strong image.

Comments and discussion on these images and my thoughts are most welcome.

Larry
Photography is about LIGHT and COMPOSITION. Faili... (show quote)


these are some wonderful and beautiful examples of some great sssr photos :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Mar 23, 2015 13:21:20   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
wmsisk wrote:
This is a picture I took in Marathon Fla. last summer while on a dive trip to the keys. I am not very experienced and tried to remember to put something in the foreground. We were eating supper at the Sunset Grille & Raw Bar. Nice sunset and I got my camera and climbed over the roadway hill to the North side of the Key.


William, I think your stuttering again!! :lol: :lol:
SS

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Mar 23, 2015 13:43:29   #
microflow Loc: Hawaii
 
I agree about including other elements in a Sunset or Sunrise pic. Here is one example I took in Key West. The bridge is an old railway bridge that was opened to allow boats to enter a secluded moorage area. I think of it as "Fusing Past and Present ..."

Key West Bridge Sunset
Key West Bridge Sunset...

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Mar 23, 2015 13:47:42   #
Jolly Roger Loc: Dorset. UK
 
Shot last Autumn / Fall.



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Mar 23, 2015 14:16:44   #
Armadillo Loc: Ventura, CA
 
SharpShooter wrote:
It's time to do another installment on Composition!
So lets have a meaningful and productive discussion about what makes a good Sunset/Sunrise image. We see a lot of these here every day, and rightfully so, as we have an opportunity for one of each, each and every day.
But first, if you have not already done so, DO go back and read my previous posts on Composition. This discussion will feed off of those and may help explain where I and possibly some of the others in this discussion are coming from! For me the goal is always not just photography but making the best images we can possibly make with the skill-set we poses and improving that skill-set. As with my previous posts, for me, juxtaposition always plays an important element in my images. My personal feeling is that strong color alone is just not enough. My goal is to create a stronger image by incorporating other elements into the composition that help to strengthen a story that colors alone can't tell and assembling those into a more complex composition. That's not to say that a simple strong graphic image can't work just as well. Again, there are no rights or wrongs here.
The hope as always is that we share what we feel are good strong elements and images so that one can takeaway ideas from another's compositional talents that will help them to take better and more impactful images of their own.
Feel free to post an image and explain why you feel it is a strong sunset/sunrise image.
I will post one of each in an adjacent post so that this won't be moved to the gallery.
This is meant to be a learning discussion for all of us that participate.
Blue Hour may also be appropriate in this discussion as well
Thanks, ;-)
SS
It's time to do another installment on Composition... (show quote)


SharpShooter,
I think you have touched on a great subject, Sunrise/Sunset pictures.

The composition of a SSSR picture requires attention to the general rules of any image composition, as well as good exposure technique. In addition, the composition needs to include something of interest that binds to the scene. A perfectly exposed sunset, with a scattering of clouds, and graduated shade of colors from blue to reds; make an average sunset/sunrise picture. If there is nothing within the composition to link to the scene, it becomes an average picture.

On the other hand, if the same scene as depicted above were to have a sailing ship sailing into, or out of the scene that would tie the whole composition together.

Michael G
Formerly from N. Calif. and The Woodland Camera Forum.

All are welcome to discuss at will.

Late Fishing
Late Fishing...

Lovers
Lovers...

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Mar 23, 2015 14:24:51   #
cucharared Loc: Texas, Colorado
 
mcveed wrote:
In my opinion (sometimes humble, sometimes not) ............. Sharpshooter's two examples are of the former type, where the sssr acts as background; the first fails in that the main subject is an overwhelming silhouette; the second is more successful and could almost be of the second type except for the distraction on the right lower corner. In all cases the real failures are those where the main attraction is an oversaturated orange/red mass, which is all too common.


Well dang! Guess this just goes to show me just how dumb and ignorant I am. Here I was really liking SS's big rock photo. Alas, I'm just too much a rookie to know it was a total failure. There are several more shots here that I really like. Guess they are all failures, too. Sorry about that folks.

I also really like a good sunrise/sunset just for its color and beauty. Throw some clouds in and I'm in hog heaven. Ignorant me. At the risk of sounding too something, sometimes a good sunset merits a "Good job, God - thanks for sharing". If I can capture that then I'm a happy camper.

I'm sure you included some of your sssr shots and I just haven't seen them yet. These old uneducated eyes are looking forward to the experience.

ron

Ah, I found them! Didn't have to go much further. Figured you'd follow through.

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Mar 23, 2015 14:35:36   #
cucharared Loc: Texas, Colorado
 
mcveed wrote:
In support of this post I humbly submit three examples. The first two are where the sssr is used as a background, and the last where the sssr is the main subject.


OK, I really like that last one. The first two are just shots of some fantastic scenery. These still uneducated eyes just aren't seeing their fantabulousness. Looks like you needed to either get there earlier or stay later.

Sorry, just my humble opinion. I'm quite sure it's not shared by many.

ron

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Mar 23, 2015 14:44:30   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
plessner wrote:
I think this might be one of the most awesome (in my eyes) sunset photos I have ever taken. As the color and the subject matter left little else to be desired.
Taken while on a recent trip to Iceland


I'll be there in June! Looks amazing.

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Mar 23, 2015 14:46:10   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
Photographer Jim wrote:
As much as I love a beautiful sunrise or sunset, i seldom take a photo of the event per se. I do like to take photos of other things or places AT sunrise/sunset, but not just a colorful sky. I usually find most of the images that concentrate solely on the colors in the sky, or (and this is admittedly a very personal bias) which stress a silhouette against a colorful sky, to be very uninteresting compositions. Instead, I prefer compositions that make use of the color of the light at that time to add an element of interest to a composition that I would take at any other time of the day. If the composition would not stand as strong without sunrise/sunset light, then it doesn't become a good composition by simply adding some sunrise/sunset colors, or by using a silhouette.

This images is typical of how I might approach a sunrise/sunset composition. The arrangement of the image's elements is the main emphasis, with the color of the setting sun adding the mood.
As much as I love a beautiful sunrise or sunset, i... (show quote)


I've shot Trinidad Beach too, that same hillside! I like your angle better. I was too close to it.

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Mar 23, 2015 14:46:14   #
plessner Loc: North Dakota
 
microflow wrote:
I agree about including other elements in a Sunset or Sunrise pic. Here is one example I took in Key West. The bridge is an old railway bridge that was opened to allow boats to enter a secluded moorage area. I think of it as "Fusing Past and Present ..."


this is one of those OH WOW shots!

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Mar 23, 2015 16:04:00   #
13oct1931 Loc: Lebanon, Indiana
 
Jerry: Generally, I agree with you. Your comments are succinct...But...today I totally disagree. (However, my wife agrees with you.) Those rigs in the background seem to be a distraction; I would have cropped them out. The "big rock" seems to be a dramatic silhouette.
I would certainly defer to your better judgment.

Alyn

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Mar 23, 2015 16:04:09   #
cucharared Loc: Texas, Colorado
 
cucharared wrote:
Well dang! Guess this just .........
Ah, I found them! Didn't have to go much further. Figured you'd follow through.

cucharared wrote:
OK, I really like that last one. ......... not shared by many.

ron


Uh, please ignore previous comments. Meds now working. Tried to get back in time to delete both but waited too long. Like mom said, "if you can't say something positive, don't say anything." I violated her rule. Sorry mom.

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Mar 23, 2015 16:11:19   #
13oct1931 Loc: Lebanon, Indiana
 
Ron: Its hard to argue with the "Master Painter."
Alyn

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Mar 23, 2015 16:19:17   #
skingfong Loc: Sacramento
 
Here are a couple of shots. I need all the help I can get so feel free to comment.

Lot of the shots I've seen so far are stunning.

Lake Tahoe moon
Lake Tahoe moon...
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Lake Tahoe
Lake Tahoe...
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Sacramento River
Sacramento River...
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Mar 23, 2015 17:20:44   #
Armadillo Loc: Ventura, CA
 
skingfong wrote:
Here are a couple of shots. I need all the help I can get so feel free to comment.

Lot of the shots I've seen so far are stunning.


Stan,

Lake Tahoe moon
Nice picture of Emerald Bay, the foreground trees break-up the otherwise boring lake water. The Moon in this picture is just a speck, nice, but top centered. The composition could have been improved with a second image of the half Moon layered over the left side, at about 50% transparency. Size wise, whatever looks in proportion to the lake, and trees. The Moon would have offered balance to the trees, and filled in an otherwise negative space that is not helping the overall composition.

Lake Tahoe
This is a nice composition. The negative space in the left half of the frame is taken by the sunlight and the thin wispy cloud. What might have helped this a bit more could have been lightening the land peak and trees in the left frame, just enough to bring out more details. Then experimenting with levels adjustments to alter the overall exposure in PP.

Sacramento River
In general, this is good. The only problem I see is the apparent horizon is centered horizontally. I think if you had include more of the levee you were standing in, it may have reduced the skyline a bit. Cropping some from the top, or bottom would have changed the centered horizon.

Improvement on the overall concept.
It would have been nice to have a late fishing boat trolling home in the sunset.

(Formerly from Woodland, on the West side of the Sacramento.)

Michael G

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