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Mar 11, 2015 08:40:35   #
DougW Loc: SoCal
 
lamiaceae wrote:
THOUGH, I am not too thrilled about the idea of going all "digital", meaning no prints at all. From a historical and archival stand point there are issues. Yes, technology changes, and technologies go obsolete, but a few seem to extend into the future and are less lost. Vinyl records and paper books from the past and today are still here. So look at all the formats that are virtually obsolete now but you can't easily find anything to view or read it with: VHS, Beta, 8" Floppy Disks, 5.25" Floopy Disks, Diskettes, Audio Cassettes, Laser Disks (video), (consumer 1/4") Reel to Reel Magnetic Tape, 78 rpm Records. Not every music album or movie has been reissued to CD, DVD or Blu-ray. Also there are formats that never caught on and may have had releases that were unique such as DVD Audio, HD CD, Mini-CD, Enhanced Music CD and others. There are old computer games and software that were DOS or Apple O/S that are unusable today. And some might still be fun. Game Boxes keep changing as well. What would happen as "display" screens change, can you still view your old image files? Pre-RGB? Look what changes computers have gone through. Just think of all the UHH discussions of the incompatibility of Canon lenses through the years from pre-AE-1 to "AE-1" to "Rebel" to Full Format and Cropped Factor lenses of today. Not everything is on the Web, especially things prior to 1980. I have 1950's and even later Jazz and Rock LP albums that have never been reissued. The true fan of music and film lives in the past as well as the present and future. Note vinyl has made a come-back as it sounds warmer and more natural and real to many music fans. I've noted before I like color photography as digital fine, but for black & white I much prefer silver prints. Just think if there were no enlargers or printers at all anymore. Scanning a negative to digital is not quite like using a negative directly to print. A file is more like a specific "print" of a negative image not the original film negative. Ansel Adams printed a negative differently from time to time, trying different interpretations by dodging and burning differently. And how could you create a Wynn Bullock print from a scanned negative other than by using a lot of Photoshop processing? Why do people collect 1950's Automobiles?

But yes, for much of the consumer market, your points are totally valid. But it does not portray a future I'd want. But, then I am seldom a futurist. I bought my first PC in 1994 and first DSLR in 2010. And own 5,000+ LPs & CDs.

I still shoot digital like when I used film, slowly and methodically, never "spray & pray". Oh, I know the Steppenwolf song you mean. ;-)
THOUGH, I am not too thrilled about the idea of go... (show quote)


I even have some electronic equip. That has TUBES ! Nope they haven't gone away.
I can still buy new ones too.

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Mar 11, 2015 14:05:12   #
smith934 Loc: Huntsville, Alabama
 
GeorgeH wrote:
Temperature sensitivity is only part of the equation. The storage life of mixed solutions is pretty short, at least according to the maker's info sheets. Filling the air space in the container with nitrogen or butane or propane would help, but what a drag. And I wonder if the E 6 processes with only 2 or 3 steps are really as good as the old 5 or 6 steps that I remember from the old days. Any user experience out there?
Ha! I used to fill the empty space with marbles :) Gave it up long ago, but because of this thread I just dug out my Olympus OM2s and plan on using it again.

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So the best course might be to accumulate a kit's worth of film to process, and have a developing binge....after which a few stiff drinks might be in order. :)
More than a few :)

I was even looking at a long shallow sink last Saturday in a junk store, and thinking what an excellent darkroom sink it would make. Unfortunately, or fortunately, I no longer have room for a darkroom, plus I'd have to buy everything new again.

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Mar 11, 2015 14:57:47   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
DougW wrote:
Send me your leica and lenses, I promise to buy film process and make prints. Your leica will send you a letter now and then and some prints to let you know how it is doing !


I had an 59 AH 100-6 when I was a teen. It was really cool, but what a crummy dinosaur it was! :lol:
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Mar 11, 2015 15:29:36   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
Best film source for me is B and H online. They have a good selection of fresh unexpired slide and negative film, color and B&W film, and they sell prepaid mailers for processing by Dwayne's Photo in Parsons KS. A mailer with postage will run about $15 a roll for Fuji Velvia 50 color transparencies (they come back as a single roll-no cardboard). Or you can get a better price for processing just color negatives directly at the Dwyne's website www.dwaynesphoto.com.

Dwayn'es Photo will process just the 36 color negatives for $4 a roll plus $4.50 shipping for the first roll and 50 cents for each additional roll. A CD is an extra $3 a roll.

I went to my local K-Mart yesterday and they will process a roll of 36 exposures 35mm color negative film with prints and a CD for $14. But they don't return your negatives, they destroy them. And they don't do slides. And you have to buy prints, they won't just offer you a CD without prints.

Bear in mind that the CD's you get from all these places are less than 5MB a picture, so fine for the internet or computer or even a flat screen TV, but you can not get poster size prints out of them. But for a small fee they are convenient as a contact sheet to pick out a shot you might want to scan yourself to crop, or to make a large print from the negative or transparency.

Walmart is now a no option for me. Since I have yet to get more than a few print worthy shots out of a roll, it seems a waste to pay for all 36 prints. And not getting slides or even getting my negatives back makes no sense for me either. I guess they are catering to the disposable camera and snap shot shooters.
HarveyRothbeind wrote:
Try EBay or Amazon. If your local drugstore develops film they also sell film.

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Mar 11, 2015 15:54:34   #
smith934 Loc: Huntsville, Alabama
 
Bobspez wrote:
Best film source for me is B and H online. They have a good selection of fresh unexpired slide and negative film, color and B&W film, and they sell prepaid mailers for processing by Dwayne's Photo in Parsons KS. A mailer with postage will run about $15 a roll for Fuji Velvia 50 color transparencies (they come back as a single roll-no cardboard). Or you can get a better price for processing just color negatives directly at the Dwyne's website www.dwaynesphoto.com.

Dwayn'es Photo will process just the 36 color negatives for $4 a roll plus $4.50 shipping for the first roll and 50 cents for each additional roll. A CD is an extra $3 a roll.

I went to my local K-Mart yesterday and they will process a roll of 36 exposures 35mm color negative film with prints and a CD for $14. But they don't return your negatives, they destroy them. And they don't do slides. And you have to buy prints, they won't just offer you a CD without prints.

Bear in mind that the CD's you get from all these places are less than 5MB a picture, so fine for the internet or computer or even a flat screen TV, but you can not get poster size prints out of them. But for a small fee they are convenient as a contact sheet to pick out a shot you might want to scan yourself to crop, or to make a large print from the negative or transparency.

Walmart is now a no option for me. Since I have yet to get more than a few print worthy shots out of a roll, it seems a waste to pay for all 36 prints. And not getting slides or even getting my negatives back makes no sense for me either. I guess they are catering to the disposable camera and snap shot shooters.
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Did K-mart say why they destroy negatives?

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Mar 11, 2015 16:07:25   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
No, it's their policy. My guess is that it's a faster cheaper automated process. Maybe they develop the negs and scan them automatically, then make the prints and CD from the scanned jpgs. This way they don't have to retrieve the negs at all, once they scan them they dump them.
smith934 wrote:
Did K-mart say why they destroy negatives?

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Mar 11, 2015 16:30:03   #
RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
[quote=Bobspez]

"Since I have yet to get more than a few print worthy shots out of a roll ... "

Sounds rather sad. Is this because of incorrect exposures, out of focus, or manner of portraying your subjects? Is your digital success rate equally poor? If it is because of any of these reasons, it would be much cheaper to become proficient shooting digital before trying film, as the actual act of shooting is the same. You should be getting much more than "a few" keepers from every 36 exposures, film or digital.

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Mar 11, 2015 17:10:19   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
Yes to all of the above. It's not that they are defective, I just don't like them. And I primarily do shoot digital for that reason. I probably really like maybe 1% of my shots overall. When I shoot film I check the manual settings on my dslr with the same lens first to set my film camera properly. I have probably shot thousands of film shots and thousands of digital shots in the last 50 years. Maybe I am just very critical of my own work.
RWR wrote:


"Since I have yet to get more than a few print worthy shots out of a roll ... "

Sounds rather sad. Is this because of incorrect exposures, out of focus, or manner of portraying your subjects? Is your digital success rate equally poor? If it is because of any of these reasons, it would be much cheaper to become proficient shooting digital before trying film, as the actual act of shooting is the same. You should be getting much more than "a few" keepers from every 36 exposures, film or digital.
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Mar 11, 2015 18:25:02   #
jboy24 Loc: Downey Ca,
 
Don Fischer wrote:
I take out a film camera not and then but seldom 35mm. I have an F5 and I love the thing but I also have three med formats I dearly love fooling with. My Pentax 645 is relatively new and is auto everything. My two favorite's are my RB 67 and Yashica 635, both auto nothing!

If I could shoot as inexpensively as digital, I'd probably go back to film. Never gonna happen.


Indeed.

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Mar 11, 2015 18:48:57   #
jboy24 Loc: Downey Ca,
 
Longshadow wrote:
The other thing I like about digital is being able to see the results immediately so you can tweak if need be. But film [slides] still seems more vivid. Maybe it's because of the analog gradation in the colors?


Man I could not agree more. Film, especially slides is much more vivid, color depth is superb on E6 film. When I look at my slides with a loupe the color has a 3D depth of quality... I mainly use Fuji and some Kodak, but Ilford and others are the same I'm sure. I'm kinda of old school, love analogue especially for music reproduction, where analogue wins every time. this is coming from 44yrs experience with high end audio, engineers, and musicians..

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Mar 11, 2015 20:00:55   #
BebuLamar
 
Bobspez wrote:
No, it's their policy. My guess is that it's a faster cheaper automated process. Maybe they develop the negs and scan them automatically, then make the prints and CD from the scanned jpgs. This way they don't have to retrieve the negs at all, once they scan them they dump them.


They don't have a processor in house any more. They send the film out for processed. When they processed the film they scan it and throw away the negative sending the scan files to the store and the store can make prints there. They just try to save the shipping back from the processor to the store.

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Mar 11, 2015 20:08:37   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
Sort of like distribution of movies electronically to movie theaters, no shipping of film cans or projectionists required. Walmart has eliminated the handling, packaging and mailing of the negatives. Seems no reason then why they couldn't just charge a few dollars for a CD without requiring the customer to buy prints.
BebuLamar wrote:
They don't have a processor in house any more. They send the film out for processed. When they processed the film they scan it and throw away the negative sending the scan files to the store and the store can make prints there. They just try to save the shipping back from the processor to the store.

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Mar 11, 2015 20:17:53   #
BebuLamar
 
Oh I don't know that you must buy prints. However, not returning the negatives to me mean no service. All I want is the negatives because they can never scan nor make prints the way I want. That is not because they are simply not me and can not interpret the negatives they way I do.

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Mar 11, 2015 20:30:16   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
I was at the Walmart on Rte 9 South in Howell, NJ yesterday and spoke to the manager of the photo area. She said I couldn't just have my 36 exp. 35 mm color film roll processed and pay for processing and a CD. She said it was a package deal with prints and a CD for about $14 or nothing. If that's not Walmart policy then I'd like to know how to go about just getting processing and a CD at a cheaper price. I agree that I'd like the negs as well, but for just taking test shots with a camera and a new film, I'd go for just the CD if it was $6 or $7.
Bob
BebuLamar wrote:
Oh I don't know that you must buy prints. However, not returning the negatives to me mean no service. All I want is the negatives because they can never scan nor make prints the way I want. That is not because they are simply not me and can not interpret the negatives they way I do.

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Mar 19, 2015 11:53:08   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
mickley wrote:
35mm Film seemed to take an excessive jump in price about 18 months ago. I'd like to use it more, and am lucky that I have some Fujichrome and Ektachrome in the freezer, so for the time being I'm set. Does anyone know of a source for film that what "break the bank"?


you get what you pay for and you pay for what you get. i use film exclusively and get it from the folks at freestylephoto.biz. great selection and chemicals to go with it.

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