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Mar 9, 2015 18:56:33   #
BebuLamar
 
Shutterbugsailer wrote:
As a lifelong recreational sailor and recent photograhy hobbyist, I can say that digital has done to film what the GPS has done to the sextant


But you can always use your sextant like I still use my slide rule. But I have a hard time finding film and then finding way to process it left alone the elevated cost. I used to process and print my own color negative film but I can't do that any longer.

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Mar 9, 2015 18:58:53   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
The high iso's also accomodate the cheaper zoom and telephoto lenses that were limited to f4 or f5.6 instead of f2.8 like the more expensive lenses. That's the reason they came out with high speed film too, because you could still use a fast shutter speed to freeze the action, even though you were limited to smaller apertures.
Darkroom317 wrote:
Photojournalists, those of who shoot indoor sports but are not allowed to have strobes. Concert photographers, event photographers etc...

I have shot with Tri-X pushed to 1600 and stand developed to photograph indoor construction. I have also used 3200 speed film before at 12,800 to get the shots. I really like the grain but I have to say that I love high ISOs with digital. It is one of my favorite things that digital can provide.

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Mar 9, 2015 18:59:47   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
twowindsbear wrote:

Ah, the memories. . . mama, give me back my Kodachrome.


Sang that song all day when they shut down production.

(Sorry, I meant prints from slides.)

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Mar 9, 2015 19:00:53   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Shutterbugsailer wrote:
As a lifelong recreational sailor and recent photograhy hobbyist, I can say that digital has done to film what the GPS has done to the sextant


Or what film did to wet plates...

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Mar 9, 2015 19:00:53   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Shutterbugsailer wrote:
As a lifelong recreational sailor and recent photograhy hobbyist, I can say that digital has done to film what the GPS has done to the sextant


Or what film did to wet plates...

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Mar 9, 2015 19:13:31   #
HarveyRothbeind
 
Try EBay or Amazon. If your local drugstore develops film they also sell film.

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Mar 9, 2015 19:15:19   #
GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA
 
burkphoto wrote:
Right on that last part.

Kodak E6 was best. The three or four step processes always sacrificed something. Fuji Hunt ran cleaner in some machines. I had a sink line process for sheet and roll film at one point. We could soup 20 rolls of 135 at a time. And we often did 40-60/week. The water bath/temperature controlled sink was awesome. But that was 1979-87... Multi-image slide production was in its hey-day.


Thanks, Burkphoto, I guess! Maybe someone will have a good tale on the "easy process." But has enough time elapsed?

I started souping Ektachrome back when the reversal was done with a PHOTOFLOOD bulb, fer gawd's sake. What a PITA! But those ancient 'chromes are still okay, as are about 100 feet of Ektachrome I loaded and shot in London and Paris in 1976. These were all the multi-step PITA process, five reels at a time in a stainless steel tank. But they look good today!

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Mar 9, 2015 19:20:17   #
DougW Loc: SoCal
 
mickley wrote:
Yes, you are right. he cost of film plus processing can be daunting. I have both digital and film bodies, and the day all the film is gone, I will be unhappy...in a way.

There are two sides to it. Someone gave me a Leica IIIC and a couple of lenses, but I never used it. If film is gone, I'll never get to see why people praise Leicas so much.

But, on the other hand, the logical side of me says to not throw good money after bad, i.e., don't buy more film. I suspect there is no really good answer.
Yes, you are right. he cost of film plus processi... (show quote)


Send me your leica and lenses, I promise to buy film process and make prints. Your leica will send you a letter now and then and some prints to let you know how it is doing !



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Mar 9, 2015 20:02:31   #
JonZ
 
The cost of using film no doubt makes one more deliberate and thoughtful before pressing the button. There was an old saying that you got the same number of good photos per square inch of film no mater what format you used. My recollection is that each exposure was an event, with a certain emotional release involved. It had importance. I still don't feel that was a bad thing.

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Mar 9, 2015 20:24:59   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
I should add, battery life is poor. I have two rechargeable batteries and a fully charged battery is good for about 2 hours or 200 exposures if I keep the lcd display on. If I'm shooting indoors or in my yard, I use the AC adapter and run on electricity.
Bobspez wrote:
I went on ebay looking for the lowest priced FF dslr for less than $500, and that's how I came across it. They still sell on ebay from time to time. The 14/N designation meant Nikon mount. They also sold other mount types. This camera is strictly for low iso work. Above 200 iso the noise gets bad. But I really like it as a landscape camera, or studio camera with bright lighting, flash or long exposures in lower light. No live view, but immediate review on the lcd screen. Lots of presets for white balance. I shoot in raw mode and tweak the color temp in PS.
I went on ebay looking for the lowest priced FF ds... (show quote)

Planet Venus in the dark, iso 6, 8 sec exp, Nikkor 24mm f2.8, Kodak DCS Pro 14n
Planet Venus in the dark, iso 6, 8 sec exp, Nikkor...
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Mar 9, 2015 22:05:10   #
photoman022 Loc: Manchester CT USA
 
I'm a former film shooter, started with a Petri V6 in 1973, stationed in Germany with the US Army. The day I purchased my first DSLR changed my photography. I used to be careful in taking my photos; taking only a few at a time, a roll of film (after returning home and to college, ect.) could last me a long time. I have my DSLR with me all of the time and use it all of the time. I probably took more photos in the first three months with my DSLR than I did the previous 10 years with film.

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Mar 10, 2015 03:48:00   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
burkphoto wrote:
No question, film is mostly dead, and the film industry is bleeding out quickly. The shots were fired in the mid-1990s, but the animal is so big, it's taken a couple of decades to bleed out.

I lived through the digital revolution in the pro photo lab world. We started making low resolution scans and printing small items digitally in 1995. We started scanning film to print everything digitally in 2000. We ripped out the optical printers and recycled the metal in 2004. We ripped out the film processors and recycled the metal in 2007. The last film scanner was retired in 2009. By then, everything we did was digital, and was more consistent and of better quality than before it was digital.

Yes, you can still order film from B&H, Adorama, and similar large camera stores. Kodak still makes professional films and Tri-X and Kodacolor. But they killed 'chromes completely. Agfa branded slide films and Fujifilm slide films are still available.

If you process and print your own, or have a lab you trust, using film is not a problem. But for the vast majority of photographers, for the vast number of end uses, film is a severe inconvenience!

Think about it. MOST imaging is headed for the Internet these days. It goes on commercial web pages, on sharing sites, and into private cloud libraries.

Images used for 4/color process printing are captured digitally, processed in software, separated in software, and imaged onto digital plates with lasers — no film involved.

Images used for high end, archival quality prints are printed digitally on Epson, HP, or Canon pigmented inkjet printers, right from a computer.

Commercial photographers may create one image in camera, that is used in a catalog, a video commercial, a web page, a point-of-purchase display, a newspaper ad, a magazine ad, and perhaps on the product package itself. ALL are manipulated digitally, and sent around the country or around the world at the speed of light.

We can do in minutes what used to take hours or days!

That is why film is DEAD, DEAD, DEAD.

In the future, ultra-high definition monitors of all sizes will be so common that printing will be a lost art. Why kill a tree and pollute water to make paper? Why waste good diesel fuel to truck it all over the country? Why sell a book for $29.95 when you can deliver it instantly over the Internet for $9.95 and make $9.00 or more doing it that way? Why not use a medium that includes still images, video images, audio, graphics, and text, rather than just images?

The digital revolution is a thought revolution, a time compression revolution, a possibility revolution. Film was an addictive drug, and Kodak was the pusher, which reminds me of a Steppenwolf song used in Easy Rider...
No question, film is mostly dead, and the film ind... (show quote)


THOUGH, I am not too thrilled about the idea of going all "digital", meaning no prints at all. From a historical and archival stand point there are issues. Yes, technology changes, and technologies go obsolete, but a few seem to extend into the future and are less lost. Vinyl records and paper books from the past and today are still here. So look at all the formats that are virtually obsolete now but you can't easily find anything to view or read it with: VHS, Beta, 8" Floppy Disks, 5.25" Floopy Disks, Diskettes, Audio Cassettes, Laser Disks (video), (consumer 1/4") Reel to Reel Magnetic Tape, 78 rpm Records. Not every music album or movie has been reissued to CD, DVD or Blu-ray. Also there are formats that never caught on and may have had releases that were unique such as DVD Audio, HD CD, Mini-CD, Enhanced Music CD and others. There are old computer games and software that were DOS or Apple O/S that are unusable today. And some might still be fun. Game Boxes keep changing as well. What would happen as "display" screens change, can you still view your old image files? Pre-RGB? Look what changes computers have gone through. Just think of all the UHH discussions of the incompatibility of Canon lenses through the years from pre-AE-1 to "AE-1" to "Rebel" to Full Format and Cropped Factor lenses of today. Not everything is on the Web, especially things prior to 1980. I have 1950's and even later Jazz and Rock LP albums that have never been reissued. The true fan of music and film lives in the past as well as the present and future. Note vinyl has made a come-back as it sounds warmer and more natural and real to many music fans. I've noted before I like color photography as digital fine, but for black & white I much prefer silver prints. Just think if there were no enlargers or printers at all anymore. Scanning a negative to digital is not quite like using a negative directly to print. A file is more like a specific "print" of a negative image not the original film negative. Ansel Adams printed a negative differently from time to time, trying different interpretations by dodging and burning differently. And how could you create a Wynn Bullock print from a scanned negative other than by using a lot of Photoshop processing? Why do people collect 1950's Automobiles?

But yes, for much of the consumer market, your points are totally valid. But it does not portray a future I'd want. But, then I am seldom a futurist. I bought my first PC in 1994 and first DSLR in 2010. And own 5,000+ LPs & CDs.

I still shoot digital like when I used film, slowly and methodically, never "spray & pray". Oh, I know the Steppenwolf song you mean. ;-)

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Mar 10, 2015 03:50:12   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
DougW wrote:
Send me your leica and lenses, I promise to buy film process and make prints. Your leica will send you a letter now and then and some prints to let you know how it is doing !


Same here. Leica. Rolleiflex. Pant Pant.

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Mar 10, 2015 09:30:36   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
lamiaceae wrote:
A file is more like a specific "print" of a negative image not the original film negative. Ansel Adams printed a negative differently from time to time, trying different interpretations by dodging and burning differently. And how could you create a Wynn Bullock print from a scanned negative other than by using a lot of Photoshop processing? Why do people collect 1950's Automobiles?


It's not that different with digital. If you shoot RAW and do all your adjustments using masks and adjustment layers, you can go back later and do different versions of the image. Doing post processing in this way isn't that different than doing it in the darkroom.

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Mar 10, 2015 12:32:07   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
As long as film and processing is available, there will be people using film. Most likely not instead of digital, but along with digital. A negative or slide doesn't need any special format machine to be used, just a scanner and they are getting better and cheaper. Another analogy besides antique cars, is growing tomatoes. It's actually more expensive to grow tomatoes than buy them at the supermarket, and if you are planting hybrids (rather than legacy tomatoes) they doen't taste any better than store tomatoes. And at different points of the summer you will either harvest less or more than you want. So why do it? Why do anything you don't have to? Just for the experience of doing it.

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