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New York Times Exposes Peter Lik Photography Scheme
Feb 25, 2015 10:23:19   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
This piece adds another side to the marketing by Peter Like of his photographic work; personally, though, I doubt he cares about such critiques while he banks and fingers his revenue from his endeavors.
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New York Times Exposes Peter Lik Photography Scheme

"Peter Lik may claim to have sold the world's most expensive photo, with the $6.5 million Phantom . . . but the artist is artificially inflating his market."

[found at: http://news.artnet.com/in-brief/new-york-times-exposes-peter-lik-photography-scheme-264858]

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Feb 25, 2015 10:48:41   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
So what? Jealous?

Every time a photographer sets a price he is evaluating the value of his work. If a sucker agrees and pays million, all the better for the guy, sorry, he not selling fake art but his own.

If you do not have his marketing talents you need not to complain, just check what he did and how, after all commercial and 'artsy' photography is about making living/selling doing something one likes to do.

Only folks who do not understand marketing are upset the rest shrugs their shoulders and think 'good for him, how can I do the same?'

When I see the complaints here I start to think that they are jealous of anyone success, just like the frogs.

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Feb 25, 2015 10:58:15   #
a2000c Loc: ND
 
anotherview wrote:
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New York Times Exposes Peter Lik Photography Scheme

[found at: http://news.artnet.com/in-brief/new-york-times-exposes-peter-lik-photography-scheme-264858]


One Problem with this.....The NY Times has lost all credibility with at least half of the US people....kinda like a liar calling a liar a liar. Just sayin'.

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Feb 25, 2015 11:05:19   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Maybe you missed the part where PL takes advantage of unsophisticated buyers of his works, and manipulates the market for it. His actions border on the unscrupulous.

In addition, inherent to the narrative in the piece exists the issue of whether a man worth over $400 million can function as an artist in his doing of photography. This kind of question tends to answer itself.

PL appears more like a smart businessman who has found a method to earn big dollars from doing photography aside from the inherent worthiness of his photographs as a metric in itself.

I do not believe the rest want to copy his way.
Rongnongno wrote:
So what? Jealous?

Every time a photographer sets a price he is evaluating the value of his work. If a sucker agrees and pays million, all the better for the guy, sorry, he not selling fake art but his own.

If you do not have his marketing talents you need not to complain, just check what he did and how, after all commercial and 'artsy' photography is about making living/selling doing something one likes to do.

Only folks who do not understand marketing are upset the rest shrugs their shoulders and think 'good for him, how can I do the same?'

When I see the complaints here I start to think that they are jealous of anyone success, just like the frogs.
So what? Jealous? br br Every time a photographer... (show quote)

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Feb 25, 2015 11:19:04   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Here see the old trick of killing the messenger, used by those individuals unwilling to address the message.
a2000c wrote:
One Problem with this.....The NY Times has lost all credibility with at least half of the US people....kinda like a liar calling a liar a liar. Just sayin'.

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Feb 25, 2015 11:31:19   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
anotherview wrote:
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To be able to pay this kind of dough you need to have it in the first place and unless you are Joe Schmuck who has won the loto these folks do not throw their money around w/o reason. So for me if he has the skill to present his work in order to earn more than scraps, good for him.

How much the guy is worth means nothing other than he has access to folks with deep pockets. To assume that someone who has money has no knowledge or talent is as wrong as the guy in the other thread calling PL 'a pile of BS'.

There is no counterfeiting here, just marketing.

You cannot afford it? Go away. You can and think it is a scam? Go away. You can and want it? By all means, buy it. Simple as that.

'unsophisticated buyers' indeed, I am sure folks said that about many painters too at the time. The same folks now would kick their own asses for not having purchased the doodles of S. Daly or Picasso, to name only two.

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Feb 25, 2015 11:36:14   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
You make my point by your remark: "just marketing."
Rongnongno wrote:
To be able to pay this kind of dough you need to have it in the first place and unless you are Joe Schmuck who has won the loto these folks do not throw their money around w/o reason. So for me if he has the skill to present his work in order to earn more than scraps, good for him.

How much the guy is worth means nothing other than he has access to folks with deep pockets. To assume that someone who has money has no knowledge or talent is as wrong as the guy in the other thread calling PL 'a pile of BS'.

There is no counterfeiting here, just marketing.

You cannot afford it? Go away. You can and think it is a scam? Go away. You can and want it? By all means, buy it. Simple as that.

'unsophisticated buyers' indeed, I am sure folks said that about many painters too at the time. The same folks now would kick their own asses for not having purchased the doodles of S. Daly or Picasso, to name only two.
To be able to pay this kind of dough you need to h... (show quote)

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Feb 25, 2015 12:15:54   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
It is illegal to market anything because some do not like it?

Also use the full quote not a sound bite.

i wrote:
There is no counterfeiting here, just marketing.

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Feb 25, 2015 12:30:20   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
anotherview wrote:
You make my point by your remark: "just marketing."


View, I'll admit my phone would not load the link so I didn't read it.
But I hear you saying that Lik's pics are not worth what people are paying for them and he is getting that just because he has created his own market?
Most artist are not only poor businessman but poor artists as well, so it's no wonder they can't sell anything.
Just because Lik is worth a lot of money doesn't mean he is not an artist. Because he is on TV has made him famous and his work desirable. He IS a very talented photographer. I'll bet he has more skills than say Paris Hilton and any of the Kardashians and I'll bet they make a lot more money than Lik does.
Just as long as people pay for his work of their own free will, they can pay as much as they want or as much as he demands. Time will tell if his work will resell for the same or more or less!
Just being worth a lot doesn't disqualify you as an artist.
How much is Scott Kelby worth? He's out in the trenches shooting football every weekend because it's what he loves to do. He's probably worth more than Lik. I'll bet if he started to market his sports shots they too would go for big dollars.
I just hope one day you guys will be saying all those mean nasty things about me!! :lol: :lol:
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Feb 25, 2015 14:12:35   #
a2000c Loc: ND
 
anotherview wrote:
Here see the old trick of killing the messenger, used by those individuals unwilling to address the message.


The issue is not "Lik". The real issue is "why the NY times would attack a brilliant self marketer. Are they implying that life needs to be "fair"? Maybe the NY times needs to ask the parents of a child with terminal cancer if life is fair.

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Feb 27, 2015 15:57:45   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
More on PL:

What Are People Saying About Peter Lik's Photo Sales Scheme?

"It is now clear that Lik's target customers are not seasoned collectors, but tourists with deep pockets looking for a pretty and palatable picture to hang on their living room walls."

[found at: http://news.artnet.com/people/what-are-people-saying-about-peter-liks-photo-sales-scheme-269596]

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Feb 27, 2015 16:26:53   #
a2000c Loc: ND
 
anotherview wrote:
More on PL:

What Are People Saying About Peter Lik's Photo Sales Scheme?

"It is now clear that Lik's target customers are not seasoned collectors, but tourists with deep pockets looking for a pretty and palatable picture to hang on their living room walls."

[found at: http://news.artnet.com/people/what-are-people-saying-about-peter-liks-photo-sales-scheme-269596]


"A fool and his money......"

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