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Feb 20, 2015 10:14:45   #
JCam Loc: MD Eastern Shore
 
mrtobin wrote:
"Ship tossing around in the North Sea"? How small of a boat will this be? If this is one of those huge cruse ships then I would not be concerned with ship movement.

Dare I say it, I would not use a tripod. Set your av. and iso. so your tv. is 1/1000 of a sec.

I would be more concerned with your focus. The photo that you posted show no sun spots, it is not in focus.

Here is a photo taken with the same lens that you used but no tc. 1/000 of a sec., hand held, see the spots? Have fun on your cruise, don't go blind:)
"Ship tossing around in the North Sea"? ... (show quote)


Whether you feel it or not there are always vibrations on board because, even at a pier the generators and other equipment are always running; at sea it just gets worse and but you are more likely to notice them. A tripod will definitely transmit them to the camera, and don't even think of bracing a camera on hand rails. VR/IS may help but the ship is also moving through at least three axis--pitch, roll and forward.

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Feb 20, 2015 12:46:28   #
Meives Loc: FORT LAUDERDALE
 
[quote=photosarah]In 1991 I was on a cruise ship between Maui and the island of Hawaii. We had many hours of instructions before the event. One is, if the ship rocks, click when it is between up and down. Another is that bracketing is very important. Not to insure success, but the promenences are visable at one setting and the chroma in another. Google tips. Unless you have a milion dollar camera, take a few shots...then just enjoy it. I met people that have witnessed 10 and 15 totals. PS We were given vistors made from cardboard and two unexposed 35 mm slides to look at the partial eclipse. You can look strait at the total without protection. David PM me if you want to discuss it.

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Feb 20, 2015 16:31:26   #
the f/stops here Loc: New Mexico
 
photosarah wrote:
I am hoping to be able to photograph a total solar eclipse from a cruise liner near the Faroe Islands on March 20th. I mentioned this in an earlier thread, only I got myself muddled and called it a lunar eclipse instead. A very kind “hogger” from a far distant country has been corresponding with me about this and offering good advice, but I wondered whether any other UHH people have actually seen and photographed a total solar eclipse from a ship rather than on land and, if so, what tips and practical advice in order to counteract wave/engine/people movement? I have bought a solar filter to attach to the hood of my Canon 100-400mm lens plus 1.4 extender and I have been practicing (whenever the sun comes out here in the UK!) and attach a photo. And I have been bracketing photos -/+ 0.7. But I feel it will be a whole new ball game on how keep things sharp on a ship tossing around in the North Sea in March!
I am hoping to be able to photograph a total solar... (show quote)


Photosarah, I believe in answering questions with an image attached. I hope you don't mind. Although these solar eclipse images were not capture while on a ship, they will give you information that might be helpful. I used an incanal solar filter on a Canon 400mm f/4 lens. I exposed at f/4 because depth of field (DoF) wasn't a concern. I think you'll be okay at a 60th of a second unless the seas are rough. You may have to increase your ISO but that is what's so wonderful about digital ... you can see your results with time to make changes! Use a good heavy duty tripod and head, use a shutter release, use a Hoodman hoodloupe or some other product to examine the results on your LCD display. Shoot in Manual so adjustments can be made easily and set your WB to daylight. I can't think of anything else except I wish I were with you! Best, J. Goffe

1/60 @ f/4 @ 500 ISO
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Feb 20, 2015 16:44:09   #
Jackdoor Loc: Huddersfield, Yorkshire.
 
photosarah wrote:
I am hoping to be able to photograph a total solar eclipse from a cruise liner near the Faroe Islands on March 20th. I mentioned this in an earlier thread, only I got myself muddled and called it a lunar eclipse instead. A very kind “hogger” from a far distant country has been corresponding with me about this and offering good advice, but I wondered whether any other UHH people have actually seen and photographed a total solar eclipse from a ship rather than on land and, if so, what tips and practical advice in order to counteract wave/engine/people movement? I have bought a solar filter to attach to the hood of my Canon 100-400mm lens plus 1.4 extender and I have been practicing (whenever the sun comes out here in the UK!) and attach a photo. And I have been bracketing photos -/+ 0.7. But I feel it will be a whole new ball game on how keep things sharp on a ship tossing around in the North Sea in March!
I am hoping to be able to photograph a total solar... (show quote)


Hi Photosarah. I've photographed the sun-on film in the '90s- and taken photos from a cruise ship, just not at the same time. The Magellan weighs 40 thousand tons- it will pitch and roll to some extent in a heavy sea, but it won't be tossed about with rapid or sudden movements. Judging by your photo's settings, a tripod might well be more of a nuisance than a help, and it will transfer vibrations from the ship.
I'd suggest that you practice when on board, photographing any distant objects including sun and moon, and see what works best- with/without tripod, and with/without extender. Another thought- you might be better recruiting a volunteer to hold you steady while you hold the camera steady! (It's quite unlikely that the sea will be so bad, but who knows...)
As always, good luck, and don't forget to enjoy it with your eyes as well as through a lens!

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Feb 20, 2015 17:19:34   #
the f/stops here Loc: New Mexico
 
Jackdoor wrote:
Hi Photosarah. I've photographed the sun-on film in the '90s- and taken photos from a cruise ship, just not at the same time. The Magellan weighs 40 thousand tons- it will pitch and roll to some extent in a heavy sea, but it won't be tossed about with rapid or sudden movements. Judging by your photo's settings, a tripod might well be more of a nuisance than a help, and it will transfer vibrations from the ship.
I'd suggest that you practice when on board, photographing any distant objects including sun and moon, and see what works best- with/without tripod, and with/without extender. Another thought- you might be better recruiting a volunteer to hold you steady while you hold the camera steady! (It's quite unlikely that the sea will be so bad, but who knows...)
As always, good luck, and don't forget to enjoy it with your eyes as well as through a lens!
Hi Photosarah. I've photographed the sun-on film i... (show quote)


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Feb 20, 2015 17:33:27   #
GregWCIL Loc: Illinois
 
the f/stops here wrote:
Photosarah, I believe in answering questions with an image attached. I hope you don't mind. Although these solar eclipse images were not capture while on a ship, they will give you information that might be helpful. I used an incanal solar filter on a Canon 400mm f/4 lens. I exposed at f/4 because depth of field (DoF) wasn't a concern. I think you'll be okay at a 60th of a second unless the seas are rough. You may have to increase your ISO but that is what's so wonderful about digital ... you can see your results with time to make changes! Use a good heavy duty tripod and head, use a shutter release, use a Hoodman hoodloupe or some other product to examine the results on your LCD display. Shoot in Manual so adjustments can be made easily and set your WB to daylight. I can't think of anything else except I wish I were with you! Best, J. Goffe
Photosarah, I believe in answering questions with ... (show quote)


That photo ( assume put together afterward in software) is even cooler than your nickname. You give good advice based on experience. Only thing I would add is to not be afraid to experiment. I would shoot some on the tripod and then shoot some hand-held.

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Feb 20, 2015 21:59:29   #
Kingmapix Loc: Mesa, Arizona
 
Ask the captain of the ship to run his vessel slowly unto a soft sandy beach to steady the ship during the eclipse.

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Feb 21, 2015 02:04:32   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
[quote=Meives]
photosarah wrote:
In 1991 I was on a cruise ship between Maui and the island of Hawaii. We had many hours of instructions before the event. One is, if the ship rocks, click when it is between up and down. Another is that bracketing is very important. Not to insure success, but the promenences are visable at one setting and the chroma in another. Google tips. Unless you have a milion dollar camera, take a few shots...then just enjoy it. I met people that have witnessed 10 and 15 totals. PS We were given vistors made from cardboard and two unexposed 35 mm slides to look at the partial eclipse. You can look strait at the total without protection. David PM me if you want to discuss it.
In 1991 I was on a cruise ship between Maui and th... (show quote)


Actually, exposed film will pass UV light which, with prolong exposure/viewing, can cause eye damage. Welders glass or sites selling solar visors that block UV are the only way to view a solar eclipse safely before or after totality. Do not use neutral density filters for the same reason - the filters will pass UV. Neutral density filters are acceptable for cameras only, not eyes. A site that will provide information and links is the NASA's eclipse site. I do not want to have any of our UHHs lose their eyesight due to misinformation and not be able to continue their photography. You must look at the information I have indicated if you believe I do not know what I am talking about. It is only your eyes at risk, not mine.

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Feb 21, 2015 13:18:49   #
photosarah Loc: East Sussex, UK
 
the f/stops here wrote:
Photosarah, I believe in answering questions with an image attached. I hope you don't mind. Although these solar eclipse images were not capture while on a ship, they will give you information that might be helpful. I used an incanal solar filter on a Canon 400mm f/4 lens. I exposed at f/4 because depth of field (DoF) wasn't a concern. I think you'll be okay at a 60th of a second unless the seas are rough. You may have to increase your ISO but that is what's so wonderful about digital ... you can see your results with time to make changes! Use a good heavy duty tripod and head, use a shutter release, use a Hoodman hoodloupe or some other product to examine the results on your LCD display. Shoot in Manual so adjustments can be made easily and set your WB to daylight. I can't think of anything else except I wish I were with you! Best, J. Goffe
Photosarah, I believe in answering questions with ... (show quote)


Hi what a wonderful set of images! I shall be so happy if I can get anything half as good i.e. half as many, but all sharp! Thanks for the advice, I had not thought of taking a loupe with me. I have one over from the days of film and slide. Your lens is a better one than mine, which is a 100 - 400: prime lenses are always better! I suspect that I will indeed have to up the ISO and use a higher shutter speed, but I have 4 days on board when hopefully the sun might appear and I can practice. Thanks for replying and posting those terrific photos. Sarah (I wish you were with me too: it would be great if I had someone to advise or help. Sadly, I am on my own)

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Feb 21, 2015 13:22:56   #
photosarah Loc: East Sussex, UK
 
Jackdoor wrote:
Hi Photosarah. I've photographed the sun-on film in the '90s- and taken photos from a cruise ship, just not at the same time. The Magellan weighs 40 thousand tons- it will pitch and roll to some extent in a heavy sea, but it won't be tossed about with rapid or sudden movements. Judging by your photo's settings, a tripod might well be more of a nuisance than a help, and it will transfer vibrations from the ship.
I'd suggest that you practice when on board, photographing any distant objects including sun and moon, and see what works best- with/without tripod, and with/without extender. Another thought- you might be better recruiting a volunteer to hold you steady while you hold the camera steady! (It's quite unlikely that the sea will be so bad, but who knows...)
As always, good luck, and don't forget to enjoy it with your eyes as well as through a lens!
Hi Photosarah. I've photographed the sun-on film i... (show quote)


Hi Jackdoor, thanks for your reply. I certainly intend to practice on board, if the sun appears, and good advice to try with/out tripod. I doubt I shall be able to find a volunteer to steady me, as presumably most people will be busy looking at/taking photos/using a telescope, and I am on my own (husband doesn't like being on the sea and therefore is not coming with me). Thanks for your interest, I hope I shall have a few decent images to share after my return!

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Feb 21, 2015 13:25:24   #
Meives Loc: FORT LAUDERDALE
 
[quote=photosarah]If the sky is partly cloady the captain will attempt to position the ship in the sun. David

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Feb 21, 2015 13:28:59   #
photosarah Loc: East Sussex, UK
 
[quote=Meives]
photosarah wrote:
In 1991 I was on a cruise ship between Maui and the island of Hawaii. We had many hours of instructions before the event. One is, if the ship rocks, click when it is between up and down. Another is that bracketing is very important. Not to insure success, but the promenences are visable at one setting and the chroma in another. Google tips. Unless you have a milion dollar camera, take a few shots...then just enjoy it. I met people that have witnessed 10 and 15 totals. PS We were given vistors made from cardboard and two unexposed 35 mm slides to look at the partial eclipse. You can look strait at the total without protection. David PM me if you want to discuss it.
In 1991 I was on a cruise ship between Maui and th... (show quote)


Hi David, thanks so much for replying, and with some good advice. Sadly, no super-duper camera. Just a very nice Canon 5Dii and a 100-400mm lens. I have a pair of cardboard "spectacles" and a home-made filter to place over my lens which has worked just fine so far. And a Seymour Solar golden effect filter. Good advice re timing of shutter release. I am intending to use Back Button Focusing, so that there will be no time delay when I depress the shutter button with the camera attempting to refocus every time. I will PM you re bracketing, and any other advice you were given. Thank, Sarah

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Feb 21, 2015 13:33:18   #
photosarah Loc: East Sussex, UK
 
Kingmapix wrote:
Ask the captain of the ship to run his vessel slowly unto a soft sandy beach to steady the ship during the eclipse.


Might end up just like the Costa Concordia in Italy or the
cargo ship Hoegh Osaka which was lying on its side after being deliberately ran aground on the Bramble Bank in the Solent estuary, near Southampton. You may not have heard of that, since it probably didn't make many waves (sorry!) internationally, but if you Google the name, you will see that the Captain and the Pilot put it on the sandbank because it was listing badly just after leaving port.

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Feb 21, 2015 13:37:20   #
photosarah Loc: East Sussex, UK
 
twowindsbear wrote:
Why would you use 'cloudy' WB? Why not 'sunshine' WB?

Really curious

Have a great trip!


Thanks for the good wishes for the trip, twowindsbear. I used "cloudy" white balance as it makes the sun look more golden than using AWB. Not sure I actually like it, it looks a little OTT to me, I think I will probably just go back to AWB. But the cloudy WB is great for sunsets: it enhances the red/yellow tones amazingly.

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Feb 21, 2015 16:08:54   #
photosarah Loc: East Sussex, UK
 
mrtobin wrote:
"Ship tossing around in the North Sea"? How small of a boat will this be? If this is one of those huge cruse ships then I would not be concerned with ship movement.

Dare I say it, I would not use a tripod. Set your av. and iso. so your tv. is 1/1000 of a sec.

I would be more concerned with your focus. The photo that you posted show no sun spots, it is not in focus.

Here is a photo taken with the same lens that you used but no tc. 1/000 of a sec., hand held, see the spots? Have fun on your cruise, don't go blind:)
"Ship tossing around in the North Sea"? ... (show quote)


mrtobin, thanks. Your image is superb. I have no idea how you got the spots on the sun, unless it just happened that there was sun activity on the day you took your photo. I took a photo today with my filter on the lens, the settings as shown. It was handheld. The sun in the UK is not very strong at this time of year and the photo was taken just after midday at 12.44pm. There are no spots, nor in the other two bracketed shots, i.e. no comp and +1. Do you think the ISO was too high? I used Back Button Focus, so that there was no pause when I depressed the shutter button, so it should have been in focus. I trust the camera's focus better than my eyes if I should use manual focus: even with glasses I am not sure that my sight is better than the camera's autofocus. I would be very interested in your comments. Many thanks

f/5.6 1/1000th sec ISO 400 and -1 compensation
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