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Mar 20, 2012 13:12:05   #
ouizee47 Loc: Illinois
 
Some nursing homes do not allow their residents to be photographed, even just for personal use (by that I mean...even though you do not have any intention at all to publish it in the paper...just want it as a keepsake say for a scout visit, or class visit etc).

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Mar 20, 2012 13:28:29   #
JimH Loc: Western South Jersey, USA
 
ouizee47 wrote:
Some nursing homes do not allow their residents to be photographed, even just for personal use (by that I mean...even though you do not have any intention at all to publish it in the paper...just want it as a keepsake say for a scout visit, or class visit etc).
You're on private property. They can do whatever they want. (Unless it's a county hospital, but even there, courts have held that patients in a medical facility have a reasonable right of privacy). But I bet that if you ask nicely, and take Uncle Fred out to sit on a park bench away from all the other residents, and snap a momento for Aunt Agatha, the N/H might just let you. If not, wheel the old boy out to the sidewalk and snap away.. :)

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Mar 20, 2012 18:42:17   #
bludogge Loc: Planet Earth
 
sloscheider wrote:
Define harass.... did they detain you? Did they ask you a few questions and then went about their business? Did they make you leave the public place?

I'm not trying to tick anyone off but law enforcement tends to be in a damned if they do and damned if they don't position. If they don't follow up with due diligence and someplace gets bombed then they get bashed for not doing their jobs. If they do follow up on "suspicious activity" they get bashed for harassment...

Be polite, talk openly to them with the respect they deserve and you shouldn't be harassed at all... but that depends on your definition of harassment...
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I agree.

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Mar 21, 2012 00:06:51   #
georgevedwards Loc: Essex, Maryland.
 
I was not interfering with traffic or posing a danged, I was just taking a photograph and he interfered with me. Of course I gave him no argument.
Nikonfan70 wrote:
The only time a police officer will bother you is you are interfering with traffic, or in his opininion doing something that poses a danger to yourself or others and of course if there is an ordinance against what your are doing.If someone enters and remains on your property after you asked him to leave, He is trepassing and you could have him arrested.

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Mar 21, 2012 00:11:10   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
they just dont want to be photograped doin someting against the law an stupid. rodney king or homeless people.
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Mar 21, 2012 14:22:16   #
imntrt1 Loc: St. Louis
 
While all you cop bashers are salivating, I would like to give you another thing to think about. Maybe, just maybe, the cops don't like video and picture taking because it is an officer safety issue. Bad guys have been shown, in studies, to study video and stills which depict coppers doing their job, to see see if their training or responses leave them open and vulnerable in any way. While I'm at it, something cop bashers don't like to hear is that less than 1 percent of all officers tarnish the badge with poor behavior - that is a better stat than people of the Clergy. So go photograph something you know something about and leave the cops alone to do their jobs.

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Mar 21, 2012 14:26:53   #
St3v3M Loc: 35,000 feet
 
Is this post really still going?

Act Responsibly

There I said it, now lets move on.

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Mar 21, 2012 18:53:32   #
FOTOSTAN Loc: Ca..NYC..Fla.
 
St3v3M wrote:
Is this post really still going?

Act Responsibly

There I said it, now lets move on.


THANK YOU..... this posting has gone on way too long.

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Mar 21, 2012 21:02:58   #
Aambertyme Loc: Farmersville, TX
 
What no one has mentioned is that it is legal to take pictures of people for editorial reasons, or just publishing pictures, but not for advertising purposes, without having to have them sign their permission.

This, of course, does not give permission for pedophiles to take pictures of children.

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Mar 21, 2012 22:32:54   #
Elvia
 
Lol this days yes it is hard and you feel like you have to be looking over your shoulder. But hey keep it with you they can't take your camera away etc. Good luck, don't let them stop you from taking pics.....

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Mar 22, 2012 00:49:22   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
imntrt1 wrote:
While all you cop bashers are salivating, I would like to give you another thing to think about. Maybe, just maybe, the cops don't like video and picture taking because it is an officer safety issue. Bad guys have been shown, in studies, to study video and stills which depict coppers doing their job, to see see if their training or responses leave them open and vulnerable in any way. While I'm at it, something cop bashers don't like to hear is that less than 1 percent of all officers tarnish the badge with poor behavior - that is a better stat than people of the Clergy. So go photograph something you know something about and leave the cops alone to do their jobs.
While all you cop bashers are salivating, I would ... (show quote)


how can you call cop bashing i guess you clicked the link? seem like its they that do the bashing. cops are like congress on the take everytime they can.

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Mar 22, 2012 05:42:58   #
Roger Hicks Loc: Aquitaine
 
Farmers Wife wrote:
...you have no right to butt in and take pictures of people in their worst hour or some child just ran over by a car....


You do, actually, as long as you're not in the way. What should stop you is not your 'rights', or an officious, know-nothing cop, but good taste and being a decent human being.

Cheers,

R.

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Mar 22, 2012 05:50:12   #
Roger Hicks Loc: Aquitaine
 
kcornman wrote:
Fact is that if you don't follow their direction, right or wrong, they can just arrest you on a variety of charges--loitering, disorderly conduct, failure to comply, etc.--then simply release you later, dropping the charges, & you really have no recourse.

So give in and act like a slave in a police state? No, you do have recourse: the media. If the police won't behave civilly and legally, you first complain to the police force, so that it won't happen again (or at least, it's less likely) and if the police give you the run-around, go to the local paper. Kick up a stink.

Over the years, I've been stopped occasionally by the police, but if you are civil and acting within the law, there is nothing at all they can legally do. Fortunately I've never been stopped by a cop who is stupid enough to believe otherwise: probably (I hope) because very few cops are that stupid.

As for the 'rights' card, I really don't think it would do much good. An angry copper won't read it; a civil copper won't need it.

Cheers,

R.

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Mar 22, 2012 05:52:16   #
Roger Hicks Loc: Aquitaine
 
Libbypics wrote:
As a former Deputy Sheriff who worked the Traffic Unit, writing tickets and investigating crashes (where I took my own photos, starting my love of this field), I am not surprised that some of you are "harassed" by police. I can't count the number of cars I stopped for a traffic violation intending to write a warning, only to have the driver greet me with "What the **** do you want?" Guess what!! Every one of those drivers wound up with a ticket!! YOUR attitude goes a LONG way toward how the encounter will end. If some smart aleck handed me a card and gave me the name of his lawyer, we would have a much longer and much more unpleasant encounter than the guy who remained cheerful, positive, and simply told me what he (or she) was doing. Remember, law enforcement officers are supposed to check out anything that "doesn't look right". Don't automatically assume they are "picking on photographers. Oh, and keep the "Rights" card in your wallet, not in your hand! And, I know (and knew) what the rights of photographers were and are. My big problem was with the media, including one helicopter pilot jerk who was actually moving evidence around at the scene of a fatal crash which killed a police officer "to make a better shot". Things deteriorated rapidly for him when he told me to "Get out of my way, son. Don't you know who I am?" Do you know how hard it is to find a tow truck to remove a helicopter after the pilot has been arrested?
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Nice story, and of course absolutely fair.

Cheers,

R.

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Mar 22, 2012 05:54:37   #
Roger Hicks Loc: Aquitaine
 
dirtpusher wrote:
now it's getting interesting;
What if a mall security guard says to stop taking photos?

This comes down to photographing and trespassing being two different things. If a private security guard asks you to stop taking photos, you do not have to comply; you can still take photos. But if they ask you leave, then you have to leave, as your permission to enter has been revoked and you are now trespassing. However, you can take photos while walking out, and you can still publish those pictures. For more, see trespassing.
http://www.photosecrets.com/photography-law-permission-can-i-take-this-photo
now it's getting interesting; br What if a mall se... (show quote)


Elegant argument!

Cheers,

R.

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