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Jan 1, 2015 14:34:37   #
OonlyBonly
 
MaggieMay1978 wrote:
I currently shoot professionally and have two 6D camera bodies. 24-70 2.8 and 70-200 2.8 17-40 f4 50mm - I am thinking of upgrading one of my cameras in the new year to a 1DX...should or shouldn't I?


You're a professional, making money from your photography - the 1DX would be a tax writeoff........

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Jan 1, 2015 16:37:19   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
davidrb wrote:
Do you see the irony of this? Pros don't "ask" questions such as "should I". A professional knows the answers to that question, or they don't stay in business very long. Did you ever hear Tiger Woods ask his caddy what he should hit? A truly professional might ask a peer for advice but never would a true pro ask a bulletin board for advice on gear.


David, this is NOT directed at you...
Pros do ask questions. I say this because Maggie IS a PRO, and she is asking!
I've seen many of her shots and she is good at what she does and wants to know our opinions of what will help her grow.
Remember that girls DO ask. We boys would prefer to wander about lost instead of asking, so we find asking for guidance sometimes strange.
We don't need to spill our personal baggage here, this is a very simple question about a camera.
If you know something about the cameras involved, give your opinion.
Blubbering about our personal inhibitions will not make Maggie NOT a pro. :lol:
SS

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Jan 1, 2015 16:57:41   #
lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode
 
davidrb wrote:
....... Did you ever hear Tiger Woods ask his caddy what he should hit? .......


Actually, I thought that was exactly what a caddy was employed to do, hand the pro the club that he should use, for this course, for that yardage, from this angle.
I have often seen the pro fire a savage look at the caddy when the shot falls short, or runs off the back into the bunker.

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Jan 1, 2015 18:14:56   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
lighthouse wrote:
Actually, I thought that was exactly what a caddy was employed to do, hand the pro the club that he should use, for this course, for that yardage, from this angle.
I have often seen the pro fire a savage look at the caddy when the shot falls short, or runs off the back into the bunker.


You took the words right out of my mouth!! :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Jan 1, 2015 22:45:06   #
MaggieMay1978 Loc: Calgary Alberta
 
SharpShooter wrote:
David, this is NOT directed at you...
Pros do ask questions. I say this because Maggie IS a PRO, and she is asking!
I've seen many of her shots and she is good at what she does and wants to know our opinions of what will help her grow.
Remember that girls DO ask. We boys would prefer to wander about lost instead of asking, so we find asking for guidance sometimes strange.
We don't need to spill our personal baggage here, this is a very simple question about a camera.
If you know something about the cameras involved, give your opinion.
Blubbering about our personal inhibitions will not make Maggie NOT a pro. :lol:
SS
David, this is NOT directed at you... br Pros do a... (show quote)


Thanks SS! :)

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Jan 1, 2015 22:47:38   #
MaggieMay1978 Loc: Calgary Alberta
 
PalePictures wrote:
I would take a serious look at why I wanted to upgrade to a 1DX.
I own a 5DMKIII and a 5DMKII. If I owned a pair of 6D's I would not upgrade. You would not be able to distinguish my images shot with the 5DMKIII with the 6D. Now if you changed my lenses from my L lenses to cheaper lenses you could probably tell. I really think you need to look at what is driving your decision. If I were in your shoes I would get more L glass. more specifically I would get a 24Tilt shift for composite backgrounds. (I already own the 85 1.2L.. get that before a camera upgrade as well)
(See Joel Grimes video for use of the 24 tilt shift in portraiture) The reason I would get the 24TS lens is because I can create a 40MP image by splicing two images together. It works great for portraits in studio too with a little practice.
Although some really good natural light photographers aka Lisa Holloway use a 5DMKIII she could very well use a 6D and you couldn't tell the difference. The real difference between her and anyone else here is she knows how to get good natural light shots and she really knows how to process them. Most of the really good natural light photographers style and detail are brought about by their understanding and use of color grading.

Some photographers in a style similar to some of your stuff are:
Jake Olson (Primary Camera is a 5dMKIII) lens 85 1.2L
Lisa Holloway (Primary Camera is a 5DMKIII) lens 200 f2.
Jessica Drossin (Primary Camera is a 5DMKIII) Lens 85 1.2L

You can search for the above names on 500px.com to see the camera and lens they use on each shot.
The question you have to ask yourself is this.
If these great photographers that have tens of thousands of followers don't use a 1DX to create world class images. Then how is that camera going to help you?

A secondary reason not to get the 1DX is that it is nearing its end of life cycle. There will probably be a replacement for it in the near future. Chances are it will be a 30+ megapixel monster. Although theoretically the quality of the pixel is more important than the number of pixels,(Thats what canon attempted to sell everyone on this camera.) I elected not to buy this camera mainly because of the pixel count.
There are really two reasons to buy this camera.
1)You need the 12-14 FPS. Most photographers I know do quite well with 8FPS. I shoot portraits so I only need 1FPS.
2) You need the theoretical build quality. You're in the rain or hiking up mount Everest!

The bottom line is this. Lens before camera every time. A camera will(in most cases) produce no noticeable difference in the quality of your shot.... At least when the models are close like the 6D and the 5D and the 1D... The lens will make a much bigger difference. Your ability to correctly process your image after you take a well exposed, well composed, well lit image will make more difference than your camera or lens.

Other suggestions if you want to improve.

1) Buy a new 27 inch IMAC with lots of memory.
2) Buy a wacom tablet if you don't have one already.
Be sure and remap your wacom tablet to only use 1/4 of
the surface. You will never get good doing edits of your
images if you have to use full arm movements to do edits.
3) Buy yourself some other L glass.
4) Take every video course you can find.(Paid or free.)
a) Joel Grimes
b) Kelby subscription
c) Phlearn.com
d) Caras Ionut
e) https://www.learnfromjoeyl.com (Excellent color
grading videos).


The bottom line equipment will only make you marginally better and the camera is the last thing you need to help you improve.

Regards,
Russ Elkins
I would take a serious look at why I wanted to up... (show quote)


Thanks for the in depth reply!

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Jan 8, 2015 12:25:05   #
Indiana Loc: Huntington, Indiana
 
SharpShooter wrote:
David, this is NOT directed at you...
Pros do ask questions. I say this because Maggie IS a PRO, and she is asking!
I've seen many of her shots and she is good at what she does and wants to know our opinions of what will help her grow.
Remember that girls DO ask. We boys would prefer to wander about lost instead of asking, so we find asking for guidance sometimes strange.
We don't need to spill our personal baggage here, this is a very simple question about a camera.
If you know something about the cameras involved, give your opinion.
Blubbering about our personal inhibitions will not make Maggie NOT a pro. :lol:
SS
David, this is NOT directed at you... br Pros do a... (show quote)


Very good response...and you are correct SS.

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Feb 12, 2015 08:17:57   #
OriginalCyn Loc: Connecticut
 
PalePictures wrote:
I would take a serious look at why I wanted to upgrade to a 1DX.
I own a 5DMKIII and a 5DMKII. If I owned a pair of 6D's I would not upgrade. You would not be able to distinguish my images shot with the 5DMKIII with the 6D. Now if you changed my lenses from my L lenses to cheaper lenses you could probably tell. I really think you need to look at what is driving your decision. If I were in your shoes I would get more L glass. more specifically I would get a 24Tilt shift for composite backgrounds. (I already own the 85 1.2L.. get that before a camera upgrade as well)
(See Joel Grimes video for use of the 24 tilt shift in portraiture) The reason I would get the 24TS lens is because I can create a 40MP image by splicing two images together. It works great for portraits in studio too with a little practice.
Although some really good natural light photographers aka Lisa Holloway use a 5DMKIII she could very well use a 6D and you couldn't tell the difference. The real difference between her and anyone else here is she knows how to get good natural light shots and she really knows how to process them. Most of the really good natural light photographers style and detail are brought about by their understanding and use of color grading.

Some photographers in a style similar to some of your stuff are:
Jake Olson (Primary Camera is a 5dMKIII) lens 85 1.2L
Lisa Holloway (Primary Camera is a 5DMKIII) lens 200 f2.
Jessica Drossin (Primary Camera is a 5DMKIII) Lens 85 1.2L

You can search for the above names on 500px.com to see the camera and lens they use on each shot.
The question you have to ask yourself is this.
If these great photographers that have tens of thousands of followers don't use a 1DX to create world class images. Then how is that camera going to help you?

A secondary reason not to get the 1DX is that it is nearing its end of life cycle. There will probably be a replacement for it in the near future. Chances are it will be a 30+ megapixel monster. Although theoretically the quality of the pixel is more important than the number of pixels,(Thats what canon attempted to sell everyone on this camera.) I elected not to buy this camera mainly because of the pixel count.
There are really two reasons to buy this camera.
1)You need the 12-14 FPS. Most photographers I know do quite well with 8FPS. I shoot portraits so I only need 1FPS.
2) You need the theoretical build quality. You're in the rain or hiking up mount Everest!

The bottom line is this. Lens before camera every time. A camera will(in most cases) produce no noticeable difference in the quality of your shot.... At least when the models are close like the 6D and the 5D and the 1D... The lens will make a much bigger difference. Your ability to correctly process your image after you take a well exposed, well composed, well lit image will make more difference than your camera or lens.

Other suggestions if you want to improve.

1) Buy a new 27 inch IMAC with lots of memory.
2) Buy a wacom tablet if you don't have one already.
Be sure and remap your wacom tablet to only use 1/4 of
the surface. You will never get good doing edits of your
images if you have to use full arm movements to do edits.
3) Buy yourself some other L glass.
4) Take every video course you can find.(Paid or free.)
a) Joel Grimes
b) Kelby subscription
c) Phlearn.com
d) Caras Ionut
e) https://www.learnfromjoeyl.com (Excellent color
grading videos).


The bottom line equipment will only make you marginally better and the camera is the last thing you need to help you improve.

Regards,
Russ Elkins
I would take a serious look at why I wanted to up... (show quote)


Russ, This is one of the most comprehensive relevant answers I've seen in a while. Thanks...it gives me some great advice (even though it wasn't my post)!

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Feb 12, 2015 15:58:58   #
agilmore Loc: Baltimore
 
MaggieMay1978 wrote:
I currently shoot professionally and have two 6D camera bodies. 24-70 2.8 and 70-200 2.8 17-40 f4 50mm - I am thinking of upgrading one of my cameras in the new year to a 1DX...should or shouldn't I?


This is a small point, but worth mentioning.

Right now both cameras have the same controls, and they are in identical positions. Switching from one 6d to another is a no-brainer.

Are the controls on the 1DX similar? If not it may slow you down for a while (or longer). Speed and frustration?

OTH, you could always buy TWO 1DXs, ha!

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Feb 12, 2015 18:32:41   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
boberic wrote:
I would get a 5D111 and a 100-400mm with the savings


Is the desire for the 1dX a more"professional" look. If so why not just add a grip to your 6d's and call that an upgrade. Just a thought.

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