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SharpShooter wrote:
Cyn, first congrats to you for taking the time and initiative for having taken a photography course.
It's difficult to understand what a person learns taking courses if you've never taken one. I've never taken an online course so it's hard to know what can be learned from them. But I'm a firm believer in any kind of structured course work as opposed to trying to be self taught. There are a few self-taught photographers working in high profile jobs but the vast majority are formally educated and trained.
Like many here I shot and was mostly self-taught for almost 50 years. I would like to think I was good as I could get paid to shoot.
Then after talking to various photographers that I respected I decided to do whatever it took to start at one end and go to a college and study photography to the other end. Yes, that includes learning about other photographers and history. I quickly found that though I could produce very nice work, my knowledge of actuall photography was VERY, VERY thin. I was lacking all the infrastructure and intricate detailed knowledge that can only be imparted by instructors that have been pros for decades and are currently making a living at it but have a burning desire to give back to their roots.
Sometimes the difference between thinking you know a lot and actually knowing is formal training.
We all chose individually where in that structure we want to be. Formal training won't automatically make you a photographer but it certainly will give you the tools if you have the talent and desire to become one! ;-)
SS
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For me, the exposure triangle became less elusive. As I studied, there was a lot of information that validated what I already know. Of course there were some things that I could be taught 100 times, but until I go out and practice, I won't commit it to habit and practice.
The feedback I received was mediocre. Often I would post a shot on a forum (like UHH) to receive criticism. I did learn the value of honest critique...even when your ego just wants to hear "that's awesome!". The book work structure was good for a basic background knowledge. The videos and audio CDs were more informative...for the most part. But like someone else said, it got me to go out and shoot things I wasn't necessarily interested in shooting.
Clearly, SS, you are a proven professional and artist. Whatever path(s) we choose, if we value what we do, it was the right one! Thank you for your thoughts. Cynthia
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OriginalCyn wrote:
Two years ago I asked the question "Does anyone have any first hand knowledge of NYIP? I am considering their course work, and have done a lot of reading, but haven't talked to anyone I know at has enrolled in any of their programs."
I received varying feedback, which helped to shape my expectations towards the course work.
I recently completed the course, and I'm back to say that I learned a great deal. At the very least, it helped me to A) not only learn some of the basics, which I had felt that I seemingly skipped over when the photog bug hit, but also B) sent me into a network of resources that I might not have had exposure to otherwise. At least not directly at my fingertips. Those resources, in turn, gave me the confidence to try some things I would never have considered, such as attending a workshop with Sandy Puc, whose organization "Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep" has planted a seed deeply inside me, and is germinating.
Most importantly, I've learned to harness my goals into something that I can focus on and become good at.
Does the course have the same clout that attending a University that offers a Bachelor of Arts in Photography Degree? Certainly not. But for the person who wants to learn more about photography in a systematic, concrete, and less extensive way from home, I would recommend NYIP.
By the way, I'm not beholding to NYIP in any way shape or form. I was simply pleased with what I gained from the course work.
I just started the course this week and am very excited about my decision. Good to hear that you had a positive experience.
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Good luck! If you have any questions, feel free to PM me.
OriginalCyn wrote:
Two years ago I asked the question "Does anyone have any first hand knowledge of NYIP? I am considering their course work, and have done a lot of reading, but haven't talked to anyone I know at has enrolled in any of their programs."
I received varying feedback, which helped to shape my expectations towards the course work.
I recently completed the course, and I'm back to say that I learned a great deal. At the very least, it helped me to A) not only learn some of the basics, which I had felt that I seemingly skipped over when the photog bug hit, but also B) sent me into a network of resources that I might not have had exposure to otherwise. At least not directly at my fingertips. Those resources, in turn, gave me the confidence to try some things I would never have considered, such as attending a workshop with Sandy Puc, whose organization "Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep" has planted a seed deeply inside me, and is germinating.
Most importantly, I've learned to harness my goals into something that I can focus on and become good at.
Does the course have the same clout that attending a University that offers a Bachelor of Arts in Photography Degree? Certainly not. But for the person who wants to learn more about photography in a systematic, concrete, and less extensive way from home, I would recommend NYIP.
By the way, I'm not beholding to NYIP in any way shape or form. I was simply pleased with what I gained from the course work.
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How long was your class & was it very expensive?
OriginalCyn wrote:
Two years ago I asked the question "Does anyone have any first hand knowledge of NYIP? I am considering their course work, and have done a lot of reading, but haven't talked to anyone I know at has enrolled in any of their programs."
I received varying feedback, which helped to shape my expectations towards the course work.
I recently completed the course, and I'm back to say that I learned a great deal. At the very least, it helped me to A) not only learn some of the basics, which I had felt that I seemingly skipped over when the photog bug hit, but also B) sent me into a network of resources that I might not have had exposure to otherwise. At least not directly at my fingertips. Those resources, in turn, gave me the confidence to try some things I would never have considered, such as attending a workshop with Sandy Puc, whose organization "Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep" has planted a seed deeply inside me, and is germinating.
Most importantly, I've learned to harness my goals into something that I can focus on and become good at.
Does the course have the same clout that attending a University that offers a Bachelor of Arts in Photography Degree? Certainly not. But for the person who wants to learn more about photography in a systematic, concrete, and less extensive way from home, I would recommend NYIP.
By the way, I'm not beholding to NYIP in any way shape or form. I was simply pleased with what I gained from the course work.
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you did good - congratulations!!!
Cyn, thanks for sharing your experience. I got my mail-order degree from them way back about 1971 or so. It was GREAT! It was still a real school, with students studying in their class rooms. It covered all aspects of professional photography; roll film, cut film, view cameras, portraits, weddings, glamour, product, darkroom, everything. They had me shoot, print and mail, lots & lots of photos. It was also 100% b & w.
A few years ago I thought it would be neat to update my NYI training and retook the course. It was a shallow disaster. The text books were outdated and I quit the whole project. I've heard that the school has now updated the text books and that's great. I'm so glad to hear that they are doing a good job again. Thanks for sharing your experience. I was very saddened to feel that what, at one time, had been the best, or one of the best, teaching photographic institutions in the country had gone to hell in a hand basket. I feel much better now, knowing they are back on track. "Atta girl" Cyn.
Marilyng wrote:
How long was your class & was it very expensive?
The course was Professional Photographer's course". It was originally something like $1200, but someone mentioned to me that if you call and talk to someone, and then not sign up, they will offer a lower price. In the end, I think I paid $798. They require you to finish within 3 years (although you can ask for an extension). It took me 2 years...some units I nailed quickly, others I lingered on. It does NOT take that much time...but life gets in the way. First 3 of the six units go very quickly.
Ol Hasbeen wrote:
Cyn, thanks for sharing your experience. I got my mail-order degree from them way back about 1971 or so. It was GREAT! It was still a real school, with students studying in their class rooms. It covered all aspects of professional photography; roll film, cut film, view cameras, portraits, weddings, glamour, product, darkroom, everything. They had me shoot, print and mail, lots & lots of photos. It was also 100% b & w.
A few years ago I thought it would be neat to update my NYI training and retook the course. It was a shallow disaster. The text books were outdated and I quit the whole project. I've heard that the school has now updated the text books and that's great. I'm so glad to hear that they are doing a good job again. Thanks for sharing your experience. I was very saddened to feel that what, at one time, had been the best, or one of the best, teaching photographic institutions in the country had gone to hell in a hand basket. I feel much better now, knowing they are back on track. "Atta girl" Cyn.
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Thanks has been. Yes, they updated stuff...and then again updated more workbooks shortly after I signed up. I guess I was lucky it wasn't any sooner! Thanks for sharing.
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