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Feb 1, 2015 03:00:44   #
brrywill
 
JPL wrote:
It will be interesting to see if Canon fans will buy this camera. Canon users have been saying for years that 21-22 mpx full frame cameras is all they need. That plus the limited ISO capabilities compared to todays 5DMlll will make it kind of a controversy to buy one of those ;) Not to mention the expected higher price. And not to mention that there are rumored at least 2 medium format cameras with around 50 mpx on much bigger sensors that will deliver much better IQ for a price that is rumored to be not far from the price of this new Canon line.
It will be interesting to see if Canon fans will b... (show quote)


Do you know who is planning to make the medium format cameras? I hadn't heard anything about it. I was hoping for Fuji's announced offering but it never came.

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Feb 1, 2015 05:52:32   #
JPL
 
brrywill wrote:
Do you know who is planning to make the medium format cameras? I hadn't heard anything about it. I was hoping for Fuji's announced offering but it never came.


There are strong rumors about Sony and Mamiya will launch medium format cameras this year

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Feb 1, 2015 08:17:53   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
I don't put much stock in these rumors or leaks or what-have-you. Until Canon issues a statement it is all just guess work, no matter how much some people want it all to be true. I never read the full list of supposed specs till just a few minutes ago and I must admit that what caught my eye was the claimed 1.3x and 1.6x crop sensor modes. I am curious as to just what this means. I don't believe it refers simply to the ability to use EF-S lenses the way it is stated. It will be quite interesting to see if any of this is accurate.

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Feb 1, 2015 09:07:52   #
philo Loc: philo, ca
 
does the number of MP really effect the lens? If you there is no way I would ever get rid of all my L lens just for an increase in MP.

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Feb 1, 2015 10:34:56   #
Haydon
 
LFingar wrote:
I don't put much stock in these rumors or leaks or what-have-you. Until Canon issues a statement it is all just guess work, no matter how much some people want it all to be true. I never read the full list of supposed specs till just a few minutes ago and I must admit that what caught my eye was the claimed 1.3x and 1.6x crop sensor modes. I am curious as to just what this means. I don't believe it refers simply to the ability to use EF-S lenses the way it is stated. It will be quite interesting to see if any of this is accurate.
I don't put much stock in these rumors or leaks or... (show quote)


It's an in camera crop likely similar to what Nikon has been doing for a while now.

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Feb 1, 2015 11:13:43   #
JPL
 
philo wrote:
does the number of MP really effect the lens? If you there is no way I would ever get rid of all my L lens just for an increase in MP.


No, but the lens effects the MP in the way that if the lens is not sharp enough you will not see all the details the sensor with high megapixels can record. That simply means that if your lenses can not deliver more detailed picture to a 50 mpx sensor than to about 20 mpx sensor then you will gain noting when putting the 50 mpx body behind your lenses. The main difference will be that you need more megabytes for your pictures but they will show no more detail than with your older camera.

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Feb 1, 2015 11:15:15   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
LFingar wrote:
I don't put much stock in these rumors or leaks or what-have-you. Until Canon issues a statement it is all just guess work, no matter how much some people want it all to be true. I never read the full list of supposed specs till just a few minutes ago and I must admit that what caught my eye was the claimed 1.3x and 1.6x crop sensor modes. I am curious as to just what this means. I don't believe it refers simply to the ability to use EF-S lenses the way it is stated. It will be quite interesting to see if any of this is accurate.
I don't put much stock in these rumors or leaks or... (show quote)

Is it not possible that somebody has better connections than us?

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Feb 1, 2015 11:25:06   #
Kuzano
 
JPL wrote:
There are strong rumors about Sony and Mamiya will launch medium format cameras this year


Huh?

I'm sorry, but I seem to recall that Mamiya has been producing a Medium Format offering for some time now, ie. the 645D???

Or are you talking about a different Mamiya than the one already in place?

In fact, I think the Mamiya medium format digital camera was one of the first produced, in concert with their only camera offerings for decades being in Medium Format film and digital. Mamiya's last other camera format was their great 35mm film camera's which ceased production in the 70's for financial reasons, particularly lack of sales. They remained however strong in Medium Format and have a great reputation for their Mamiya Sekor lenses. Competitive with Hasselblad.

I make that distinction because Mamiya would already have a lead in Medium Format digital, because their lenses are already, and have been for years, capable of the resolution for a MF sensor. Not like the problem that may exist with using Full Frame lenses now on the market for a sensor doubling the resolution of recent/current full frame inventory from most manufacturers.

Again, most people are going to be outshooting their glass with a 50 Mp sensor.

Some years ago, I bought a Chevy with a relatively high performance engine in it.... a 350/300 HP engine. I took that engine out and built a new 400 cubic inch engine generating about 475 HP at the rear wheels (dyno'd).

It was a very fast car.. Scary Fast! But only for 1/4 mile trips. The car was totally useless for any other purpose in real life. Lasted me until I could build another faster one. Insane.. of course!!!

So, the 50Mp Sensor, without the tools to make it an everyday tool. Great glass. :thumbup:

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Feb 1, 2015 11:30:23   #
philo Loc: philo, ca
 
JPL wrote:
No, but the lens effects the MP in the way that if the lens is not sharp enough you will not see all the details the sensor with high megapixels can record. That simply means that if your lenses can not deliver more detailed picture to a 50 mpx sensor than to about 20 mpx sensor then you will gain noting when putting the 50 mpx body behind your lenses. The main difference will be that you need more megabytes for your pictures but they will show no more detail than with your older camera.

then why would anyone upgrade. I'm sure we all have more money invested in lens then we do in bodies.

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Feb 1, 2015 11:38:27   #
Kuzano
 
TheDman wrote:
Is it not possible that somebody has better connections than us?


Absolutely, like almost everyone else, so far as I can tell!

:thumbup:

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Feb 1, 2015 11:39:45   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
Haydon wrote:
It's an in camera crop likely similar to what Nikon has been doing for a while now.


I figured it to be something like that, but I believe Nikon does it solely for the purpose of using a DX lens on a FX body. Since this spec mentions 2 crop ratios I suspect that the effect can be achieved with EF lenses, since it doesn't mention the ability to actually mount EF-S lenses, but only to achieve the effect. After all, both Canon's APS-H 1.3 and APS-C 1.6 bodies mount the same EF-S lenses so there would be no need to specify the 2 ratios if this referred to mounting ability. It wouldn't surprise me if the new model could NOT mount EF-S lenses, but could still achieve the effect.

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Feb 1, 2015 11:46:00   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
TheDman wrote:
Is it not possible that somebody has better connections than us?


Not just possible, probable. Just the same, canonrumors, like most every other site, has been off in it's predictions in the past. Even though this seems pretty solid, I don't intend to take anything as being carved in stone until Canon actually makes an announcement. Believe what you want. I'll wait till Canon makes it official. For all any of us knows, the next announcement from Canon could be that technical issues have delayed the introduction of the new model. Then we can all start from square one.

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Feb 1, 2015 11:49:59   #
oldgeezer3 Loc: SoCal
 
Kingmapix wrote:
One thing we digital camera owners can count on.
What we have to today is really already obsolete.
However, our pictures go down in history as our best at this time.


Something I hope we can live with!

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Feb 1, 2015 12:14:43   #
JPL
 
brrywill wrote:
Do you know who is planning to make the medium format cameras? I hadn't heard anything about it. I was hoping for Fuji's announced offering but it never came.


Here is a link to some info about those new medium format cameras. http://photorumors.com/2014/10/24/more-details-on-the-rumored-sonyzeiss-and-mamiya-medium-format-digital-rangefinder-cameras/

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Feb 1, 2015 12:27:17   #
JPL
 
Kuzano wrote:
Huh?

I'm sorry, but I seem to recall that Mamiya has been producing a Medium Format offering for some time now, ie. the 645D???

---No, that is Pentax.---

Or are you talking about a different Mamiya than the one already in place?

---No---

In fact, I think the Mamiya medium format digital camera was one of the first produced, in concert with their only camera offerings for decades being in Medium Format film and digital. Mamiya's last other camera format was their great 35mm film camera's which ceased production in the 70's for financial reasons, particularly lack of sales. They remained however strong in Medium Format and have a great reputation for their Mamiya Sekor lenses. Competitive with Hasselblad.

---Yes, except you are mixing Mamiya with Pentax in some parts---

I make that distinction because Mamiya would already have a lead in Medium Format digital, because their lenses are already, and have been for years, capable of the resolution for a MF sensor. Not like the problem that may exist with using Full Frame lenses now on the market for a sensor doubling the resolution of recent/current full frame inventory from most manufacturers.

---I am already collecting Mamiya lenses in case it will be possible to use them on the new medium format digital camera---

Again, most people are going to be outshooting their glass with a 50 Mp sensor.

---Right, but applies mainly to 24x36 mm format. Medium format and older lenses fit much better as long as the sensors are only around 50 megapixel. Megapixel density on the medium format sensor in the Pentax 645z is only similar to 24 megapixels in full frame cameras. Then we also have to keep in mind that the medium format sensor used in Pentax 645z is a crop sensor, not full size medium format sensor.---

Some years ago, I bought a Chevy with a relatively high performance engine in it.... a 350/300 HP engine. I took that engine out and built a new 400 cubic inch engine generating about 475 HP at the rear wheels (dyno'd).

It was a very fast car.. Scary Fast! But only for 1/4 mile trips. The car was totally useless for any other purpose in real life. Lasted me until I could build another faster one. Insane.. of course!!!

So, the 50Mp Sensor, without the tools to make it an everyday tool. Great glass. :thumbup:
Huh? br br I'm sorry, but I seem to recall that M... (show quote)


---I agree, 50 Mp sensor in a 24x36 camera is kind of like your car without the proper tires and fuel tank for it. But 50 Mp on medium format is more like a match. Kind of like a new Dodge Viper compared to 1977 Ford Mustang.---

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