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Jan 30, 2015 07:40:39   #
Boone Loc: Groundhog Town USA
 
I would say there are two problems:
1) Focus point is off
2) SS is way to low. At your FL the speed should be at least 1/300. 1/500 would be good.
Thanks, Boone :thumbup:

BTW: Welcome to the best forum there is. Great talented artist, but most importantly just really great people on here. Just ask....and you will receive! Thanks, Boone.

Ps; Practice...Practice....Practice, and then critique your results. Then...."Do it all over again"!

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Jan 30, 2015 08:48:46   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
Nancy,

You do not need a Kindle to take advantage of digital books. Kindle Reader is a free download - Amazon and other type sites. It can be downloaded to a PC, tablet, smart phone, ... I have it on my PC and use it to read digital books, especially on photography.

Here is a link:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/digital/fiona/kcp-landing-page?ie=UTF8&ref_=pd_sl_9ns220msf3_b

Thanks for the response.
Mark

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Jan 30, 2015 09:25:01   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
Denisedancer wrote:
An excellent reply, very clearly explained and should certainly help Nancy get started on improving her photos.
I hope so.

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Jan 30, 2015 09:32:52   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
Never mind Geoff. He has gas and he smells funny. Seriously, he does make for a good point. I shoot through my window all of the time. This can cause your focus point to be thrown off a little sometimes do to "refraction" (the bending of light). This is why you would like to have the bird at the edge of the feeder when you pull the trigger. The separation of your subject from the feeder helps. Not that big of a deal.

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Jan 31, 2015 10:34:24   #
3Nancy3 Loc: Tillsonburg, Ontario, Canada
 
speters wrote:
It seems you did not have any focus point/points on the Cardinal.


Your so right!! Thank you!! I am trying to correct a few things and it's taking time to get it right!!

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Jan 31, 2015 10:38:35   #
3Nancy3 Loc: Tillsonburg, Ontario, Canada
 
Boone wrote:
I would say there are two problems:
1) Focus point is off
2) SS is way to low. At your FL the speed should be at least 1/300. 1/500 would be good.
Thanks, Boone :thumbup:

BTW: Welcome to the best forum there is. Great talented artist, but most importantly just really great people on here. Just ask....and you will receive! Thanks, Boone.

Ps; Practice...Practice....Practice, and then critique your results. Then...."Do it all over again"!


Thanks Boone!! This is sure a learning experience... I havn't really shot in Automatic as yet but may have to resort to it on my mini trip... I will be at the ocean and hoping to get some pics of the beach/ocean/waves/and a race taking place there! I can't run right now so hoping to take some pics... :)

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Jan 31, 2015 10:42:42   #
3Nancy3 Loc: Tillsonburg, Ontario, Canada
 
donnieb55 wrote:
3Nancy3,
I have the same feeder with some of the same shots. I thought I was looking at my work for a minute, except I only have a 55-200mm. There is some good advice in the responses, but you could also manually focus the lens on the Cardinal. You probably have a switch on the lens barrel that says auto or man.


Thank you! Am I ever late responding to a lot of posts!!! Am appreciating each and every one of them!! WOW!!

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Jan 31, 2015 10:45:15   #
3Nancy3 Loc: Tillsonburg, Ontario, Canada
 
tainkc wrote:
Never mind Geoff. He has gas and he smells funny. Seriously, he does make for a good point. I shoot through my window all of the time. This can cause your focus point to be thrown off a little sometimes do to "refraction" (the bending of light). This is why you would like to have the bird at the edge of the feeder when you pull the trigger. The separation of your subject from the feeder helps. Not that big of a deal.


Holy!! I printed it out (your reply) I was so scared I would lose it!! Now I can't find it to thank you!! lol I know it is here somewhere!! Thank you so much I am going to try that today with my settings!!

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Jan 31, 2015 10:48:51   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
3Nancy3 wrote:
Holy!! I printed it out (your reply) I was so scared I would lose it!! Now I can't find it to thank you!! lol I know it is here somewhere!! Thank you so much I am going to try that today with my settings!!
You are welcome.

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Jan 31, 2015 11:41:57   #
3Nancy3 Loc: Tillsonburg, Ontario, Canada
 
tainkc wrote:
O.k.. Everyone here has given you excellent advice. Now to put it to practical use. First thing; I have an almost identical setup with my bird feeder. It is about 4 ft. away from my dining room window and I set about 4-5 ft. inside of that at a table - no tripod. Unless you have really shaky hands, you don't need one. A tripod would be a smart thing to use regardless. I have yet to be accused of being smart. 2nd: you have an excellent camera and an excellent lens. Make sure that the I.S. is turned on as mentioned before. For my exposure, I use the spot metering most of the time. Try that. For focusing, I always use single point. Try that.

Now then, there are a few schools of thought on this. You should either use M mode or AV mode. Stay away from any type of shutter priority for now (TV). Let's go with M (manual) mode for now.

As you can see, I am trying to guide you to a practical start point. Let us now start with the really cool settings. In M mode. Set your ISO to 400 to start with. In your example, I would try to focus towards the back of his neck only because even with a single point focus, it will still read the feeder. The reason I chose ISO 400 for you is two fold: 1: you can use much faster shutter speeds and it allows for overcast light. 2: it helps with camera shake because you can use faster shutter speeds. That simple.

Set the aperture around F5.6 just for a start point. You can always change this later.

Now you are almost set. Look through your viewfinder. dial in the shutter speed to get those small bars as close to 0 as possible (I think that is how your camera works). You should have a good exposure at this point. Snap the picture. If by chance your shutter speed is around 1/100 sec. or so, you can lower the ISO to 200 for less noise and a sharper image. Remember what others have pointed out; your shutter speed should be somewhere around 300 or more with that particular lens when hand holding. If it is around 500 or slightly more, that is not a bad thing either. At this point, you can fool around and change the aperture to F6.3 - F7.1 or higher for a great depth of field. Just try not to have the shutter speed below 300 when doing this. If it does this at F7.1 for example, just bump the ISO back up to 400. Easy, right?

A good way to practice this if there are no birds around, simply stick a golf ball or something with texture about where you think the bird will be. I hope this was of some help.

If you wish to use AV mode instead, simply set your desired Aperture and ISO, and the camera will automatically select the shutter speed for you. Even easier yet, Huh? I hope this helps.
O.k.. Everyone here has given you excellent advic... (show quote)


Thank you so very much for this!!! I have printed it out and am going to try it!! I was shooting through the glass before but was getting an awful glare so I have removed the screens ...even bought a bar stool so that I could move from the front to the back windows and sit high enough to sit and wait for the birds to come lol Since (no) tripod as yet I can sit at least a bit comfy while awaiting the birds...(wearing a jacket ... I also have a cardinal and a few others that sit at the very back of the property up in the pines and also up in the maples but am failing on good shots ...either too light or too dark or not focused .... I wonder if I can show you what I mean buy posting pics here? Another thing to figure out is this new Corel software package that came with my camera as a bonus.... My pics don't always go there lol My computer dosnt recognize the card.... nothing pops up for me to send the pics there.... I may be able to find a closer shot.. have no idea what settings I was on but will be paying attention to that now... WOW!!! Am I too talkative?

Downy Woodpecker... Not sure which lens I used.....The kit lens or my new EF 70-300 L
Downy Woodpecker...  Not sure which lens I used......
(Download)

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Jan 31, 2015 11:53:36   #
3Nancy3 Loc: Tillsonburg, Ontario, Canada
 
markngolf wrote:
Hi,
Do I read your response correctly? - you have a 70 - 300 L lens mounted on the camera? I agree with most of the others who suggested you were not focused on the bird with a single focus point. You may also want to make sure the IS (image stabilization) is switched to on. That's a pretty heavy lens - a monopod or tripod my help - not necessary, but hand holding may be a bit challenging. Try shooting something else, the same distance, not necessarily a bird, using some of the suggestions and post results. Good luck and most important, have fun!!
Mark
Hi, br Do I read your response correctly? - you ha... (show quote)


Thank you Mark!! Yes it is that lens..lol I really do find it heavy... So am saving for the tripod.... I was humming and hawing about that but I think I will need one in the future... still practicing here in Ontario!!! :)

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Jan 31, 2015 12:33:44   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
With IS and a fast enough shutter speed, you should be OK. However, a tripod or monopod will help steady everything, resulting in sharper focus. I shoot a great deal of sports with my 70 - 200 L f/2.8 ii. I sold my i version and just recently bought the ii version. Incredible lens.

Love your country. Camped across in the summer of 75'. Started at Niagara Falls and continued all the way to Vancouver Island. Fabulous. Had a Polaroid at the time. Wish I could redo with my current equipment.

Keep shooting. The Downy is terrific. Quite an improvement over the Cardinal. Looks like you have a wonderful spot for winter birds. We tried feeders but the squirrels won.

Ciao,
Mark

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Jan 31, 2015 13:47:48   #
3Nancy3 Loc: Tillsonburg, Ontario, Canada
 
markngolf wrote:
With IS and a fast enough shutter speed, you should be OK. However, a tripod or monopod will help steady everything, resulting in sharper focus. I shoot a great deal of sports with my 70 - 200 L f/2.8 ii. I sold my i version and just recently bought the ii version. Incredible lens.

Love your country. Camped across in the summer of 75'. Started at Niagara Falls and continued all the way to Vancouver Island. Fabulous. Had a Polaroid at the time. Wish I could redo with my current equipment.

Keep shooting. The Downy is terrific. Quite an improvement over the Cardinal. Looks like you have a wonderful spot for winter birds. We tried feeders but the squirrels won.

Ciao,
Mark
With IS and a fast enough shutter speed, you shoul... (show quote)


Oh Mark... Get the baffle or better yet I just seen a site explaining how to make one... I have two squirrel baffles and with them.....I WON!! They are amazing!! lol I got tired of feeding both ... but the squirrels now know they get what drops from the feeders and are well fed too... I paid $24.00 Cnd Dollars each for mine... That saved me in buying food but now I see the (make your own I will look at this too) They cannot get past them baffles.... Oh I am only a 2 hour drive from Niagara and love it... Would love to visit BC but travel has become expensive in Canada ... Its cheaper to travel to the States Crazy eh? Thanks for the compliment on the Woodpecker... Am working on the Tripod after my trip.... :)

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Jan 31, 2015 14:00:57   #
3Nancy3 Loc: Tillsonburg, Ontario, Canada
 
3Nancy3 wrote:
Oh Mark... Get the baffle or better yet I just seen a site explaining how to make one... I have two squirrel baffles and with them.....I WON!! They are amazing!! lol I got tired of feeding both ... but the squirrels now know they get what drops from the feeders and are well fed too... I paid $24.00 Cnd Dollars each for mine... That saved me in buying food but now I see the (make your own I will look at this too) They cannot get past them baffles.... Oh I am only a 2 hour drive from Niagara and love it... Would love to visit BC but travel has become expensive in Canada ... Its cheaper to travel to the States Crazy eh? Thanks for the compliment on the Woodpecker... Am working on the Tripod after my trip.... :)
Oh Mark... Get the baffle or better yet I just se... (show quote)


I forgot to include the link for the make your own squirrel Baffle http://www.birdwatching-bliss.com/homemade-squirrel-baffle.html

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Jan 31, 2015 14:40:48   #
3Nancy3 Loc: Tillsonburg, Ontario, Canada
 
tainkc wrote:
O.k.. Everyone here has given you excellent advice. Now to put it to practical use. First thing; I have an almost identical setup with my bird feeder. It is about 4 ft. away from my dining room window and I set about 4-5 ft. inside of that at a table - no tripod. Unless you have really shaky hands, you don't need one. A tripod would be a smart thing to use regardless. I have yet to be accused of being smart. 2nd: you have an excellent camera and an excellent lens. Make sure that the I.S. is turned on as mentioned before. For my exposure, I use the spot metering most of the time. Try that. For focusing, I always use single point. Try that.

Now then, there are a few schools of thought on this. You should either use M mode or AV mode. Stay away from any type of shutter priority for now (TV). Let's go with M (manual) mode for now.

As you can see, I am trying to guide you to a practical start point. Let us now start with the really cool settings. In M mode. Set your ISO to 400 to start with. In your example, I would try to focus towards the back of his neck only because even with a single point focus, it will still read the feeder. The reason I chose ISO 400 for you is two fold: 1: you can use much faster shutter speeds and it allows for overcast light. 2: it helps with camera shake because you can use faster shutter speeds. That simple.

Set the aperture around F5.6 just for a start point. You can always change this later.

Now you are almost set. Look through your viewfinder. dial in the shutter speed to get those small bars as close to 0 as possible (I think that is how your camera works). You should have a good exposure at this point. Snap the picture. If by chance your shutter speed is around 1/100 sec. or so, you can lower the ISO to 200 for less noise and a sharper image. Remember what others have pointed out; your shutter speed should be somewhere around 300 or more with that particular lens when hand holding. If it is around 500 or slightly more, that is not a bad thing either. At this point, you can fool around and change the aperture to F6.3 - F7.1 or higher for a great depth of field. Just try not to have the shutter speed below 300 when doing this. If it does this at F7.1 for example, just bump the ISO back up to 400. Easy, right?

A good way to practice this if there are no birds around, simply stick a golf ball or something with texture about where you think the bird will be. I hope this was of some help.

If you wish to use AV mode instead, simply set your desired Aperture and ISO, and the camera will automatically select the shutter speed for you. Even easier yet, Huh? I hope this helps.
O.k.. Everyone here has given you excellent advic... (show quote)


Ok... I did set everything exact to what you said... Am not sure if the shutter speed... being bar that looks similar like this when I look into lens?... 111101111 Not exact but It kept fluttering to the right ... My pics all turned too bright now I don't want to play with the setting until I get feed back..... I was supposed to adjust the zoom etc... right? On my lens? to get in closer and clearer?

Eeeeeewwwww!! lol
Eeeeeewwwww!!  lol...

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