Pipeline breach spills oil into Yellowstone River
Jan 20, 2015 16:15:43 #
idaholover wrote:
Warren Buffet is paying them all to shut up! Including the one in the Whitehouse.
I'm guessing, Obama, EPA and Buffett are a willing, symbiotic triage. They are fine with blackmailing each other for their own agendas. Quid pro quo to perfection.
The EPA wants the oil to stay in the ground and your car parked in the drive. Obama wants socialism and a reduction of America's being #1. Buffett wants money.
Jan 20, 2015 16:17:34 #
Jan 20, 2015 16:22:58 #
venturer9 wrote:
Isn't the Keystone Pipe Line supposed to be above ground..?? I was thinking I had read that it was..
Mike
Mike
48" pipe buried about four feet.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/coal-oil-gas/how-will-the-keystone-xl-pipeline-be-built-15322047
Jan 20, 2015 16:44:01 #
idaholover wrote:
Maybe there ought to be a law against Buffets railroad following rivers! Seems like we have a crisis brewing!
The railroads got legal easements a hundred years ago. The engineers laid out the routes at the easiest grades. Usually at low ground, following rivers.
Jan 20, 2015 16:51:42 #
MontanaTrace wrote:
The railroads got legal easements a hundred years ago. The engineers laid out the routes at the easiest grades. Usually at low ground, following rivers.
I know that. Just trying to make a point is all. The left is always saying that just because we use to do it that way doesn't mean we still have to.
Jan 20, 2015 17:10:30 #
DaveO wrote:
Hardly a valid comparison.
Why not? All are global products, all are in abundance in the U.S.
Jan 20, 2015 17:18:22 #
Jan 20, 2015 17:19:56 #
Cykdelic:If you think your statement fits or is relevant to the discussion,fine...
Jan 20, 2015 17:26:36 #
DaveO wrote:
Cykdelic:If you think your statement fits or is relevant to the discussion,fine...
Daveo, I'm asking you since you seemed to take exception to it.
Your comment that we have enough oil for now so shouldn't be involved in Keystone because of that seems to be a pretty good analogy to things like beef, grain, etc. I am merely asking for your clarification as to why, in your opinion, oil stands alone.
Jan 20, 2015 17:29:42 #
We had been talking about the risks of the pipeline. I pointed out that risks seem unnecessary because the oil is of no benefit to us.
Jan 20, 2015 17:38:19 #
You need some education then... Even though the oil is destined to be sold overseas, it is going through our refineries & employing Americans. Plus it is a global commodity & as such,the supply affects global prices. So I don't see your logic in that it is of "no benefit to us"
DaveO wrote:
We had been talking about the risks of the pipeline. I pointed out that risks seem unnecessary because the oil is of no benefit to us.
Jan 20, 2015 17:39:38 #
MT Shooter wrote:
One item of note here. No spill that remains on ra... (show quote)
Hi MT
I know you used the words remains on railroad property in your above statement, however any spill which occurs on navigable waters must be reported to the US Coast Guard. From there it is turned over to the US PCA. You ask what is defined as navigable water. It is any amount of water that will eventually flow into a stream or source that will eventually support basically anything that floats. Its covered. The way it works now is that the Feds contract with the states to investigate and remediate.
Jan 20, 2015 18:18:04 #
Leon S wrote:
Hi MT br I know you used the words remains on rail... (show quote)
By law, railroads do not own any "navigable waters". Their bridges cross navigable waters by easements.
Jan 20, 2015 18:22:36 #
keystone already exists in large part. the new line takes out a kink in the original pipeline
remember how all the environmentalists poopoohed the Alaska pipeline? That has worked out great.
I get so mad when i listen to the pseudo-environmentalists in this country that have such strange and uninformed ideas. Regardless of the pipeline, the oil comes out of the ground and gets sold. At least if sold here we get to properly refine and burn as cleanly as possible. Sell to China or some other 3rd world country and that is not true.
I look around all day long and see opportunities for environmental improvement (simple things that would make a diff). Remember plant a tree? Instead we have phonies like Gore propagating myths and lies.
Plant a tree!
Pipeline spills occur and are remediated well. Look how Valdez spilled cleaned up or the BP gulf spill. Too bad it happened. Better safeguards should be in place but shipping oil, piping oil, works well most of the time. BTW, one needs tons of oil to build solar panels or windmills!
remember how all the environmentalists poopoohed the Alaska pipeline? That has worked out great.
I get so mad when i listen to the pseudo-environmentalists in this country that have such strange and uninformed ideas. Regardless of the pipeline, the oil comes out of the ground and gets sold. At least if sold here we get to properly refine and burn as cleanly as possible. Sell to China or some other 3rd world country and that is not true.
I look around all day long and see opportunities for environmental improvement (simple things that would make a diff). Remember plant a tree? Instead we have phonies like Gore propagating myths and lies.
Plant a tree!
Pipeline spills occur and are remediated well. Look how Valdez spilled cleaned up or the BP gulf spill. Too bad it happened. Better safeguards should be in place but shipping oil, piping oil, works well most of the time. BTW, one needs tons of oil to build solar panels or windmills!
Jan 20, 2015 18:25:31 #
RAR_man wrote:
keystone already exists in large part. the new li... (show quote)
You're kidding, right? You must be watching too many of the oil companies feel good commercials. They still haven't cleaned up the BP spill and BP still owes millions if not billions.
OnEdit: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/20/us-bp-trial-idUSKBN0KT11T20150120
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