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Jan 15, 2015 09:54:51   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
John_F wrote:
I have been reading about them on UHH and have a question. As there is now viewfinder a scene has to be viewed on a rear screen. This means the viewer must compete with the ambient light. What have the various users of mirrorless cameras experienced in this respect?



The Sony A6000 has both, so no worries.

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Jan 15, 2015 10:22:19   #
Thruxton Loc: Indiana / California
 
I have the accessory EVF on my Sony NEX 5 T and am quite pleased with it especially when shooting in bright conditions. It probably would have been more cost effective to have waited awhile to buy an A6000 but that's the way it goes sometimes. I also shoot a Nikon P7800 which has an inferior EVF but I find it to be very handy nevertheless. I guess it boils down to what compromises you're willing to make.

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Jan 15, 2015 10:37:02   #
coot Loc: Evansville, IN.
 
John_F wrote:
I have been reading about them on UHH and have a question. As there is now viewfinder a scene has to be viewed on a rear screen. This means the viewer must compete with the ambient light. What have the various users of mirrorless cameras experienced in this respect?


I always use the EVF on my Olympus e-m10. I've only had it for a short while. I don't remember either my wife or I ever using the rear tilting screen for the 100+ or so pictures we have taken with it. It works great and it is just natural to me to use it.

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Jan 15, 2015 10:56:57   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
camerapapi wrote:
As has been mentioned, some mirrorless cameras have an electronic viewfinder built-in and an example is the Olympus OM-1. Others, usually rangefinder type of mirrorless cameras do not and in that case the manufacturer makes a viewfinder for them as an accessory but unfortunately almost always at a premium price.
I use an Olympus EP-5 and I have a primitive viewfinder for it which is enough to fill my needs in strong sunlight. Indoors, on cloudy days an at night I use the rear LCD (live view) without issues.
As has been mentioned, some mirrorless cameras hav... (show quote)


There are lots of mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras with built-in EVFs - Panasonic, Olympus, Sony, Nikon and others.The EVFs are invariably bigger and brighter than the OVFs in run-of-the-mill DSLRs, and feature continuous live view and comprehensive info of choice, including histogram. I think the days of the OVF are nearly over. Some top Pro Photogs are already changing to MFTs (with, of course, EVF).

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Jan 15, 2015 11:11:40   #
Elskipo Loc: Scottsdale, AZ
 
My first experience has been with the Sony a6000 which has an EVF as well as an excellent LCD screen. Coming through the Canon DSLR evolution I have been a staunch OVF guy. That's starting to change now. The EVF is excellent and I don't miss dragging a large DSLR and heavy glass into the field. I'm not ready to ditch it yet but am getting close.

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Jan 15, 2015 11:14:45   #
nikrawal
 
The OVF on Fuji XT1 is also very good and bright....but yeah a tad bit slow

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Jan 15, 2015 11:34:59   #
mickmates
 
Coming from Nikon World, I'm in the same place.

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Jan 15, 2015 12:35:43   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
Panasonic mirrorless cameras also have nice veiw finders

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Jan 15, 2015 14:35:04   #
Kuzano
 
Mr PC wrote:
My understanding is that EVF's are getting much better, but are still no match for the speed or clarity of an optical one. I have a Canon P&S with only and LCD and a DSLR and am much more comfortable with an OVF. Different strokes. Anything is good for snapshots, it seems like action shots require a better viewfinder with no lag.


Actually, that's partly true, but the offset to that is that EVF viewfinders do something called "Gain Up" making lowlight situations much better than an optical viewfinder.

Considering how much more people want to shoot in low light (smoky bars for instance) EVF's are superior to OVF's already.

Try one, You'll like it.

:thumbup:

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Jan 15, 2015 14:41:47   #
Kuzano
 
John_F wrote:
I have been reading about them on UHH and have a question. As there is now viewfinder a scene has to be viewed on a rear screen. This means the viewer must compete with the ambient light. What have the various users of mirrorless cameras experienced in this respect?


How old are the reviews and articles you have been reading. More recent research is in order. I've been shooting mirrorless since it came out, and a number of different manufacturer's.

I have not used a mirrorless that did not have an EVF for a few years now, and they are as good as (IMO) most of the optical view finders I have used for 40 plus years, and in some cases better because of the "gain up" feature...... improving the view in low light situations.

Add to that, many Mirrorless camera's are starting to show up in Professional Photographers bags. The image quality is there (equal to DSLR's) and the weight is much less, not to mention cost of producing smaller, lighter lenses equalling the "big boy" camera's....or .... CaNikon.

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Jan 15, 2015 15:17:36   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Pros & cons to both systems...I have both, but my Oly Pen EP3 with optional EVF VF4 seldom gets used as opposed to my DSLR's...

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Jan 15, 2015 15:24:41   #
Wendell Loc: Bayside, California
 
I have a a77m2 and it has an excellent viewfinder. You can go either way and it is automatic. When you raise the camera to look through the viewfinder it automatically comes on, Nothing to push to activate.

I loveit

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Jan 15, 2015 15:30:59   #
jackpi Loc: Southwest Ohio
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
not with m4/3

It isn't just the camera size and weight that are less with smaller focal planes. Lens size and weight also scale with focal plane size. Whether the camera is mirrorless or an SLR is irrelevant. Full frame mirrorless cameras have big lenses, Micro 4/3 cameras have smaller lenses, 1" (focal plane) cameras have even smaller lenses.

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Jan 15, 2015 16:51:36   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
CHOLLY wrote:
You OBVIOUSLY haven't used a modern viewfinder.

The one used on the new Sony A77II is BETTER than any OVF I have ever used.

It is bigger, clearer, and gives MUCH MUCH more information than is possible with an OVF.

Modern EVFs on Sony, Olympus, Fuji, and Samsung cameras allow you to see what will ACTUALLY BE RECORDED, unlike an OVF which only tells you how you've framed a scene... IF there is enough light to see by that is. That includes white balance, effects, exposure, and focus.

As stated above, EVFs allow you to see in the dark; something impossible with OVFs.

One day ALL but a few cameras will offer EVFs... watch and see. ;)
You OBVIOUSLY haven't used a modern viewfinder. br... (show quote)


Only when EVF's can keep up in real time. They are good but still lag. I spent some time checking this out on the Sony to see if it could keep up and it does not.

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Jan 15, 2015 18:58:35   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
AGAIN, the EVF on the A77II has a 5ms lag. That is a much shorter time span than the human nervous system can even register.

So I have NO idea what you thought was happening... but "keeping up" was NOT a problem. :lol:

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