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Jan 8, 2015 08:14:31   #
lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode
 
Jmcoopermini wrote:
Getting ready to take a trip and want to do quite a bit of long exposure photography. Many top photographers (deborah Sandidge and others) suggest a system like a LEE foundation kit and Singh-ray filters.
Step up/down rings (82-77mm) for screw in always seem to get stuck so I'm reluctant to get screw in type yet it would be more compact for traveling.
Any thoughts out there?


I recommend Lee Foundation kit and Lee filters.
Big Stopper, Little Stopper & ND grads.

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Jan 8, 2015 09:09:35   #
moondog Loc: afton ny
 
I like Cokin System, but don't limit myself to just that, and use screw on's when I have no other choice lol. I worked in the aerospace industry for 35 years machining aluminum, and think the graphite lube idea is right on the mark. We had processes where we baked a graphite mix on the threads to help them function, even on the space station. Also, the threads are "fine" and this increases the contact percentage.

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Jan 8, 2015 09:45:47   #
Jmcoopermini
 
Lots of great stuff guys. Thanks so much!

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Jan 8, 2015 09:53:15   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
CaptainC wrote:
OK - here is the "secret" to minimizing stuck filters: Before screwing it on, scrape some graphite off the end of a regular old "lead pencil" onto the filter threads. That graphite will lubricate the threads and HELP prevent seizing. If you tighten down like gorilla,nothing will help, but i have used this technique for 40 years or so and it really helps.
I bought two new Tiffens and a B&W for my new camera this week. The filters were a little "tight" and screwed on a little less than smoothly. Your experience of 40 years solved the problem perfectly. Thank you very much!

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Jan 8, 2015 10:02:40   #
HarryBinNC Loc: Blue Ridge Mtns, No.Carolina, USA
 
Capture48 wrote:
All ND filters will produce a color cast, but these are manageable in PP. There are newer filters out designated as ND+IR, these are not supposed to produce a color cast. ND filters block light but not all light on the spectrum, specifically not IR which is why you get color casts. I am waiting for Lee to come out with the +IR filters so I can try them. I think Hi-Tech has ND+IR that fit Lee filter adapter, I may try one of those

Never use a variable ND filter, these are really just two polarizers put together.
All ND filters will produce a color cast, but th... (show quote)


I have a Genustech 77mm 2-8 stop "Fader Filter" - $192.50 at B&H today. I have used it extensively with a variety of lenses with and without stop down rings, and am very happy with the results - no problems with sticking threads and no noticeable "color casts" either - I don't care that it is "Just two polarizers put together" - it works as advertised.

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Jan 8, 2015 10:30:38   #
Tom47 Loc: Gettysburg, PA
 
I also use have used Cokin ND filters over the years and have had no major issues.

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Jan 8, 2015 10:59:27   #
GAS496 Loc: Arizona
 
It always seems that people go back to the same old brand names. I am guilty of it myself most of the time. A psychologist told me it is mostly a male thing called "brand bias." If you don't believe me just look at the "fun" the Canon group has with the Nikon group and visa versa.

At a workshop in Death Valley two years ago I was introduced to a filter system that in my very humble opinion is far superior to any others. Its called Progrey. I was so impressed I now have the system and with just three adapters it works on my 35mm, medium and large format cameras. The system comes in small neoprene pouches that pack anywhere not taking up valuable space.

It is made so superior to anything I have seen and the cost is reasonable. Do yourself a favor and check it out before you buy on of the more well known name brands. www.progreyusa.com

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Jan 8, 2015 11:10:02   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Jmcoopermini wrote:
Getting ready to take a trip and want to do quite a bit of long exposure photography. Many top photographers (deborah Sandidge and others) suggest a system like a LEE foundation kit and Singh-ray filters.
Step up/down rings (82-77mm) for screw in always seem to get stuck so I'm reluctant to get screw in type yet it would be more compact for traveling.
Any thoughts out there?


Whatever you decide on for the opacity of the filters you want, I'd purchase B+W filters. They use a brass frame and that doesn't stick very often.

Your idea of using step rings to adapt a larger filter to smaller lens dia. is a very cost effective way to have a filter for multiple lenses.
--Bob

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Jan 8, 2015 12:06:23   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
If what you wanted were graduated ND filters, I would recommend the Lee system (or Cokin for lower priced.... Singh-Ray if money were no object), in the rectangular size that will cover your largest diameter lens, with adapters to be able to mount it on various lenses, as needed.

However, that's not what you are wanting. And since what you want are full NDs, I would recommend quality round, screw-in such as B+W or Hoya.

Several reasons...

Round filters are glass and can be multi-coated. The rectangular plastic filters generally are uncoated. In general the round filters also hold up better to repeated cleaning and are more scratch resistant, too.

Round filters can be fitted under lens hoods. It's difficult to shade the rectangular type very well.

I think it's a moot point about filters getting stuck. In the case of round filters, yes that can happen. But the adapter rings for the rectangular type mounting systems also can get stuck. So there's no real advantage between them.

I would simply get a 6- or 8-stop solid, round ND filter for longer exposure work. Maybe a 10- to 14-stop if you want to make really, really long exposures. Those two strengths are really all you typically need for still photography. (You also can use a circular polarizer, which gives between one and two stops reduction... possibly in conjunction with an ND filter, if neeeded).

You also may be able to minimize the number of sizes you need, without having to use step rings (which I dislike because they get in the way of using lens hoods). Think about what lenses you are likely to use for the long exposure shots. For example, I would most likely use an ND filter on one of my ultrawides for scenic shots, so would choose 77mm size that those lenses use. I would be unlikely to need with my 50mm and 85mm lenses that I mostly use for portraiture, so would not get an ND in the 58mm size they use.

I also would avoid a variable ND. The more affordable ones have all kinds of image issues (tints and uneven effects)... while the better quality are extremely expensive.

You really don't need a whole lot of different strengths, anyway. I'd start with a single filter: a 6- or 8-stop (and use the ISO, shutter and aperture to adjust within the range that provides). For even longer exposures in bright sunlight, a 14-stop filter might be needed. For shorter exposures or work in deep woods, a 4-stop filter might be handy. One and two stop NDs are generally unnecessary for still photography. (But may be needed for videography, which doesn't have as much range of adjustability.)

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Jan 8, 2015 12:39:25   #
trevhug Loc: Marin County
 
Another way to stop sticking: tighten against a rubber band. thanks

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Jan 8, 2015 12:57:47   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
That step up & down rings and stacking filter rings tend to get stuck derives from a property of the metal. Many rings are made from aluminum and depending on the alloy will be more or less subject to 'seizing.' Some aluminum alloys are soft, others are harder, and some are anodized. Steel and brass rings are not common, but sturdy carbon-fiber reinforced plastic rings may already out there. The trick I use is to never tighten a ring, turn it to a soft stop and stop ther.

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Jan 8, 2015 14:14:52   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Jmcoopermini wrote:
Getting ready to take a trip and want to do quite a bit of long exposure photography. Many top photographers (deborah Sandidge and others) suggest a system like a LEE foundation kit and Singh-ray filters.
Step up/down rings (82-77mm) for screw in always seem to get stuck so I'm reluctant to get screw in type yet it would be more compact for traveling.
Any thoughts out there?


I do use variable ND filters. Perhaps I am not professional enough, but they work great for me and it is easier when hiking around to have that one filter for that backwoods stream or some other thing that needs to have an ND on the lens and easy to try various shuter speeds by rotating the ring.

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Jan 8, 2015 14:34:10   #
SonnyE Loc: Communist California, USA
 
CaptainC wrote:
OK - here is the "secret" to minimizing stuck filters: Before screwing it on, scrape some graphite off the end of a regular old "lead pencil" onto the filter threads. That graphite will lubricate the threads and HELP prevent seizing. If you tighten down like gorilla,nothing will help, but i have used this technique for 40 years or so and it really helps.


I opened this thread to see if I could gather a pearl of wisdom.
And I did. ;)
Thanks!
Now I'm going to go remove the UV filters protecting my lenses and graphite them.

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